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Bryan Barnes & Javier Bolden Prelim Day 1, Part IV, USC Chinese Grad Students Murders Ming Qu & Ying Wu

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Continued from Day 1, Part III....

UPDATE 10/9:added information on Angel Mendoza, clarity
When I last left off, the lunch break had been called.

1:30 PM
I'm inside Dept. 102.  I decide to take a seat against the back wall so I can plug in my laptop. I won't hear as well, but it's easier to take notes on my computer. I wasn't able to charge up my battery over the lunch break.  There might be an issue with the spelling of the witness Maldonado's name.  DDA Brazil states that the spelling of his name on his driver's license is Maldanado, and it could have been an issue with the interpreter. .  The PIO's official statement is what is on the court record, Maldonado.  I debate sitting a bit closer to hear, but then I wouldn't have power for my laptop.  Judge Marcus takes the bench, carrying his robes.

1:32 PM
The defendants are brought out and chained to the chairs they are sitting in.  More students come back to the courtroom.  The people call Latiana Collins.  I note that Collins is wearing bright pink, skin tight sweat pants. Counsel for both defendants have an objection to this witnesses statements. Ms. Collins is asked to leave the courtroom while they argue.

The defense state that in reading her tape recorded statement, she could be considered a co-conspirator.  The people's position is that they disagree with the defense with Latiana's culpability. She's never been charged.  Ms. Collins was Barnes' girlfriend, and she was involved in the sale of one of the decedent's cell phones. She was in temporary possession of one of the cell phones.

Defendant Barnes took from one of the victims. He sold that cell phone. It was Latiana who gave Barnes to 'Simple Mobile' to make the sale of the victim's cell phone.  She repeatedly said in her statements that she didn't know where it came from since he told her that he found it. Only after did  she find out from Barnes (that it was taken as part of a robbery). I believe Ms. Brazil argues that Ms. Collins lacks the requisite knowledge of receiving (the stolen property).

Marie D'Onofrio argues. "I believe that the evidence will show during the statements she made to police initially, she said that Barnes, he found some ... and after her arrest and ...before the phones were sold, she knew how those phones were obtained. ... That they were stolen and that someone was shot or robbed. ... That's how I interpret her interview. ... She orchestrated the sale of the phones to the "Mike." She's the one who knew him. She's the one who set up the sale of the phone."


My notes are not clear who states, "It only matters if she knew if it was stolen." Judge Marcus asks, "Do you have something in the report that shows..."  "Well, the interview," one of the defense attorney's responds. Ms. Brazil states they have a transcript of the interview that's (113?) pages long.

Andrew Goldman reads from the transcript. "Ms. Collins is speaking with the detective that Mr. Barnes told her: "I got it from someone." ... "I said, did you do something stupid? No, no, I didn't do something stupid." Goldman reads more of Ms. Collins conversation to detectives. "I think he robbed someone. He just said he robbed someone. ... It goes n and how did he tell you. He says that he shot someone."

Goldman's co-counsel, Jana Seng, tells the court, "At the time of the interview, she was in handcuffs in an interrogation room and she was going to be charged with a crime."

Ms. Brazil responds to Goldman's statement.  "What Mr. Goldman represented to the court is accurate, in response to questioning by Mr. Carreon, but it's important it be read in it's entirety, because there are timing issues, when Mr. Barnes told Ms. Collins about how he actually got the cell phone."  The people's position at the time that she facilitated to get him in touch with the cell phone guy, it's clear from her that Mr. Barnes told her he found the phone. She said she's never been in trouble. She's never been arrested. Ms. Brazil adds more explanation of Ms. Collins statement. "If I had known, I didn't know that the phone was stolen. ... she kept asking him questions. He finally told me that he shot someone and he robbed someone."  While Ms. Brazil is speaking, Barnes is shaking his head from side to side.

Goldman argues his position.  "I disagree with Ms. Brazil. I don't think it's clear that she didn't know.... And it's very early on in the interview. ... And she was not forthright with the officers. She was not truthful. Then on Page 17 they were able to get it out of her."

Judge Marcus tells counsel, "Why don't you give me a chance to read this."  Ms. Seng goes over another part of the transcript.  I see Ms. Brazil open up her laptop and I get a smile on my face. It's a Mac Air, just like mine.  After Judge Marcus reads the transcript he rules, "It's my position, after reading the transcript that she should have counsel. ... It's clear to me she suspected something. It appears she wasn't interrogating him for no reason. She had suspicions that he was involved in a crime. ... From the interviews point of view, he certainly had his suspicions. ... So they seem to think there was a possibility that she knew more than she was saying. Let's bring her in and we'll tell her. ... First, I'm going to tell her what her right are. She can proceed without counsel if it's her choice."

Ms. Collins is brought in. I see her pants clearer now. In large letters on one of the legs is AMBERCROMBIE. "Ms., are you Miss Collins?" Judge Marcus asks her.  I have a response that she was asked her age. She's 20 years old.  "I read the transcript. There's a possibility that you could be suspected of some time of criminal investigation or charges based on whether it was stolen or if you knew that it was stolen. ... You are entitled to have counsel. If you don't want to have counsel you are ... can go ahead without counsel. ... I'm not saying criminal charges will be made against you. ... Do you understand what I said?"  I miss getting her response. "Here's the bottom line here. If you tell me you want a lawyer to represent you, then I will appoint a counsel to you, and the attorney will come
free of charge. If on the other hand, you think that you don't need counsel, then we just proceed and you just testify. .... The lady in purple, are you her mom? ... If she wants to talk to you for a little bit that's okay with me. ... Once you tell me your answer, then the clerk makes a phone call, and they will bring a lawyer over here. ... I f they think there's no issue about being criminally charged. ... I'm not as clear that criminal possibilities are great here, but they exist."

Ms. Collins leaves the courtroom to go speak to her mother. Ms. D'Onofrio makes an objection. M.s Brazil states the people would be absolutely prepared to give her immunity.

Judge Marcus continues, "This criminal thing here, it doesn't appear to be very striking. I suppose the argument is going to be made is that she helped this man cell the stolen phone. The record I read is that's a muddled situation. ... If at the conclusion ... I can't force ... "

I believe it's Ms. Brazil who states, "She's basically being blindsided as a witness. ... Under no instance ... that I would be able to influence Ms. Collins."

Judge Marcus continues, "The way it works is, someone could be subject to criminal charges. She's entitled to a fifth amendment. If she knew about it, or then the possibility, she is subject to criminal charges."  Ms. Brazil asks, "Would the court like me to proceed with another witness."  I believe the court responds in the affirmative.  Ms. Brazil states, "The people call Detective Robert Lait." I will just say this. If we're going to use any transcripts, it also good to give the judge a copy of the transcripts."

Someone, I believe it's Bolden's defense team, tells Judge Marcus, Mr. Barnes' mother is in the hallway speaking with the prosecution's witness and her mother.  I believe Judge Marcus states, "She can't talk to them." Someone adds that Barnes' mother gave physical contact. The mother gave the witness a hug. Judge Marcus addresses Barnes' mother and tells her not to have any contact with the witness. The woman replies from the gallery, "I just gave her a hug." Judge Marcus responds, "Well, I consider that communication, and it could result in me excluding you from the courtroom." DDA Brazil presents the witness.

3. ROBERT LAIT.

Lait is employed with the LAPD. It will be 16 years this November. He is a detective assigned to the gang unit. While the witness is testifying, we can hear whistling coming from the jail holding area. Judge Marcus comments, "We have someone singing on the Bridge of the River Kwai."  The bailiff tells the court that it's one of the defendants (in another court/case).  Many in the courtroom start to laugh. I believe the bailiff either makes a call or goes to investigate himself.  Detective Lait's testimony continues after the singing stops.

Detective Lait was still employed in that post on April 12th, 2012. He responded to a shooting incident at 2717 S. Raymond Avenue. He arrived at approximately 4:15 AM.

DB: Would you describe the scene you (encountered?)...
RL: It was a street that has single family homes and apartments. I saw that there was a car in the middle of the street and saw evidence of a shooting. There was broken glass, a trail of blood that led to a house on the north side of the street. The location was secured with crime scene tape.

Detective Lait assisted in processing the crime scene in locating and identifying witnesses.  He worked in conjunction with another fellow officer, Winston Lee (sp?).

DB: Did you observe any cartridge casings at the scene?
RL: I did. ... There were two expended cartridge cases.
DB: Do you know the millimeter?
RL: At the time I noted it but that seems correct.
DB: Would that be nine millimeter?
RL: That sounds about right.

Brazil receives a not from her clerk. She interrupts the proceedings to inform Judge Marcus that she has a note from her witness. The witness indicated she would like to speak to an attorney. The court states they already called someone and they will be up soon. Brazil continues.

She shows Lait a photo of people's exhibit 1.

RL: That is the car that I mentioned that was at the crime scene location. The lights were on; the engine was not running. The EZ-up umbrella structure was brought to the crime scene by the LAPD to protect the possibility there might be hand prints.

D'Onofrio objects. "Cumulative." Judge Marcus replies, "Over ruled." People's exhibit 11 is presented to the witness.

DB: You told us you observed shell casings at the scene. Does people's 11 tell you where they were?

Lait points to the center of the photograph, and identifies the two small yellow placards that are in the street to the left of the vehicle.  Defendant Barnes leans back in his chair. His right elbow is on the chair arm and his chin is resting in his right hand.

DB: You also interviewed potential witnesses?
RL: Yes, that's correct.

He interviewed Meling Li. (sp?)

DB: For what purpose did you interview Ms. Li?
RL: Ms. Li was the roommate of the female victim. She lives at 2717 S. Raymond.

She was the roommate to the victim, that was the female victim, Ying Wu. He interviewed her to see what she had seen or heard that night. Li was Wu's roommate at the time of the shooting. Li said that Wu was a freshman at the University of California. Ms. Li told Lait that she had seen Ms. Wu prior to the event.

RL: Ms. Wu had come home from the library late. Upon returning home, (she was) in communication with (her) boyfriend on the cell phone, and had gone downstairs to meet her boyfriend.
DB: Ms. Wu went downstairs to meet her boyfriend. Is that accurate?
RL: Yes, that's accurate.
DB: Did Ms. Li tell you Ms. Wu was communicating with her boyfriend?
RL: Ms. Li said that Ms. Wu was talking on her iPhone, her phone.
DB: Did you ask Ms. Li did she see her take her phone with her to meet her boyfriend?
RL: I searched their room.
Defense: Objection. Non-responsive.
JM: Sustained.

The question is rephrased.

RL I can't say with certainty that she told me that.
DB: Did Ms. Li tell you that she saw s. Wu speaking on her cell phone prior to going downstairs?
(I miss the answer.)
DB: Did you search Ms. Wu's bedroom and residence to .. in an attempt to locate the cell phone? ... Did Mis Li provide you with Ms. Wu's phone number?
RL: Yes, she did.
DB: Was that (number ... gives number), and she said that Ms. Wu was using her iPhone? ... So the specific description was an iPhone?
RL: Yes.
DB: Did you speak to someone who identified themselves as Jeff Wu?
RL: Yes, I did.

Lait spoke to him to find out what he may have seen or heard that evening and to establish the whereabouts of the male victim, Ming Qu.

DB: What was the relationship between Jeff and Ming?
RL: They wee friends.

On the preceding day, May 10th, they had been in each others company. Wu and Qu had gone to Chinatown that evening for dinner. They had left after having dinner. They had also been in the company of two other males, who happened to be Ming's roommates. After the four had dinner, they drove to a bar in downtown Los Angeles. They were at a bar for a brief period of time before driving back to Ming's apartment. They had driven in Mr. Qu's BMW, the BMW at the crime scene.

DB: Did you ask Mr. Wu whether or not there were any problems or incidents at the restaurant in Chinatown or the bar?
RL I asked them if they had any incident at the restaurant or on the road when driving, if there was a road rage incident. ... There had absolutely not been any such incident.
DB: Did Mr. Wu have knowledge of a girlfriend (of Mr. Qu)? ... What did Mr. Wu tell you about that?
RL: He (Mr. Qu) did have a girlfriend, and Mr. Qu had been in communication with that girlfriend when driving back.

Defense: Objection!
JM: Basis of the objection?
(I miss the ruling.)

DB: Detective Lait, did  you ask Mr. Wu whether or not the was aware of any communication between Mr. Qu and the girlfriend when in Mr. Qu's company?
RL: Yes I did.
DB: What did Mr. Wu tell you in respect of his knowledge of communication of Mr Qu with his girlfriend?

Defense: Objeciton! Foundation.
(I miss the ruling.)

DB: Did Mr Wu tell you whether or not .. or heard Mr. Qu speaking on his cell phone?
RL: Yes he did.
DB: Did Mr. Wu know of who he was speaking to on (his cell phone)?
RL: He was talking to his girlfriend.

There's another defense objection. Judge Marcus replies, "He's hearing this himself. .. .I've got to hear what he heard and then I'll decide. Over ruled for now."

RL: Mr. Wu heard Mr. Qu saying that he would drop his friends off and visit her and then go over to her house. He heard Mr. Qu make plans on the phone after dropping off his friends.

I believe it's Judge Marcus who states, "It's not being offered for the truth of the matter. I think it comes in under 115."

DB: Did you ask Mr. Wu if he saw Mr. Qu speaking on his cell phone?
RL: Yes.
DB: What did Mr. Wu say?
RL: "Yes, he did."

As part of the investigation, Detective wrote an application for a wire tap authorization.  He presented that wire tap documentation to Judge Fidler (Judge Fidler is the judge who handles all wire tap applications for Los Angeles County. Sprocket.), on May 11th, 2012.

DB: How many lines did he approve? ..
RL: (Two.)
DB: What was the (poe?) number and target for line one?

One line was for Bolden. It ended in 81. And target 2 was Barnes, and ended in 96. Detective Lait listened to the wire tap on those lines and the intercepted calls. On May 14th, Lait was involved in monitoring a call between Barnes and an unknown female around 2:41 PM.

MD: Objection! Lack of foundation.
DB: Identity is not important at this point. He's not going to identify ....

RL: I heard the male voice associated with the 96 number talking to the female voice getting ready to say he's going to sell this phone in Compton.
DB: Did the male or female give the name of the location?
RL: The female voice told the male voice go to (address) in Compton and tell the individual that "Lottie" had sent them.  ... I notified the investigating (detectives?) Carreon and Ochoa, and we began to form a plan in regards to this.
DB: Did you go to the Simple Mobile store at (address) in Compton ... after intercepting this call that you described for us? ... When you went to the location, were you by yourself or with others?
RL: I was with my partner, officer Lee, and I was in the area with other units that were assisting us.

Lait went to the Simple Mobile store on Compton Blvd.

DB: When you responded to the Simple Mobile store, did you meet with someone who identified himself as Michael Gonzales (sp?)?
RL: Yes I did.
DB: Did you speak to Mr. Gonzales at the Simple Mobile store?
RL: Yes I did.
DB: Were you face to face at the Simple Mobile store?
RL: Yes I was.

Lait asked Gonzales how long he was in business at that location. The cellular aspect of the business was approximately from at least December, so five to six months.

DB: Describe the layout of the Simple Mobile store.
RL: It was an operation providing services, a reseller I guess with used phones, and the contract to the phone lines, operated out of a store front on Compton Blvd.

The office also had a flower shop inside of it. Mr. Gonzales had some connection to the overall operation which included the flower show.

DB: Did you ask Mr. Gonzales if he knew someone by the name of "Lottie."
RL: Yes.
DB: What did he say?
RL: He did know someone. They had come into the shop a couple times prior, having a phone unlocked, that he had purchased earlier that day.
DB: Did he tell you he made a purchase shortly before you made contact with him earlier that day>
RL: Yes he did. ... He told me that he purchased a phone from a man that he only knew as "BJ." ... Had only met him through "Lottie."

DB: So Mr. Gonzales (said) that, he had unlocked this same phone that he purchased that day, when "Lottie" brought it into his store (earlier)?
RL: That is accurate.
DB: Did Mr. Gonzales convey to you, who Mr. BJ was.... ?
RL: He said that she had sent him there and that she was sending her boyfriend.
DB: He said that he had never seen BJ before?
RL: That's correct.
DB: Did Mr. Gonzales tell you whether or not BJ had one phone or more than one phone that he brought more than one phone?
RL: He actually brought two that day. ... He said that other phone was an ISO phone, and he had assisted BJ by unlocking it for him.

DB: Did Mr. Gonzales tel you if BJ left the store with the white cell phone that he had unlocked for him?
RL: He (BJ) had left with the white phone and sold the black phone for $200.00 cash.
DB: Did Mr. Gonzales provide a description?

I believe Lait testifies that Mr. Gonzales used his own height as a reference, and said that he (BJ) was 5' 6" and had brown eyes and brown hair. He was wearing a white shirt and Nike tennis shoes.  Lait states that Gonzales told him the white phone had a case attached. Gonzales also purchased a red case from BJ.

People's exhibit 20, a photo.  Judge Marcus interrupts. An attorney has entered the courtroom. Judge Marcus tells counsel, "I need a brief second. This is the lawyer. I want to talk to him before I send him out to talk to "Lottie."  Ms. Brazil adds, "Latiana."  We take a break. Now Brazil wishes to speak to the attorney. I hear the attorney's name being said, but there's no way that I'm able to write it down accurately.  Brazil tells the court, "I did not direct the defense lawyer in any way what to do. I just gave them a brief outline of the case. ... let him know that the people are offering Ms. Latiana immunity."  We then continue with Lait's testimony. People's 20.

RL: This is the store front for the wireless store Simple Mobile slash flower shop.
DB: Can you point to the specific building?
RL: It's this very center store.

The sign on the store is washed out. I can't read it from where I'm sitting.

DB: You told us that you observed the cell phone that he purchased for BJ just minutes before you spoke to him that day?
RL: We took the item.
Defense: Objection to use. The 'we.'

Brazil asks another question.

RL: I was present and directed my partner to take the phone with us.
DB: Was that item booked into evidence as item 49?
RL: It was ... item #49.

A photo of the phone and evidence envelope is put on the screen. This photo is People's 21. Lait is asked to look at the exhibit and describe the items in the photograph. There is the phone, a yellow case a specific bag to protect the phone so it cannot be remotely deleted or erased, and the evidence envelope #49.  Lait spoke to Mr. Gonzales and then spoke to a Shawn Hansen. (sp?) Hansen is a detective (grade 2) who assigned to the Criminal Gang Homicide Division. He is the unit's source for cell phone forensics. Lait spoke to Hansen in regards to his qualifications and training. Hansen received training from the FBI.

MD: Objection. I will object and ask to approach sidebar with (the court reporter). Sidebar please ... I respectfully ask to discuss at sidebar. ... ...prefer to speak at sidebar. ... It's about the sidebar testimony  ... in respect to Mr. Hansen.

2:37 PM
Judge Marcus agrees to the sidebar and all six counsel jam in together for the sidebar.

2:39 PM
Sidebar over. Judge Marcus tells the prosecution they may continue.

DB: When you spoke to Detective Sean Hansen at the Simple Mobile store, did Detective Hansen verify the IMSI number on the black iPhone that BJ sold to Michael Gonzales?
RL: Yes, but IMEI, just to clarify. IMEI.
JS: Objection. Lack of foundation. (miss ruling)
DB: That the IMEI matched one of the two stolen cell phones?
AG: Objection!
JM: Answer stands.
DB: Did Mr. Gonzales indicate to you how much time went by between (when) you arrived and BJ, the person who sold him the black iPhone?
RL: I didn't ask him. I already knew the answer to that. ... we had surveillance to that.
DB: So you did not ask M.r Gonzales any questions about when BJ left?
RL: Correct.
DB: Did you have knowledge when someone left the store shortly before you arrived?

Defense: Objection! Vague.
JM: What is the vagueness?

DB: Where you aware that Barnes was under surveillance? ... Was that individual a male, black?
RL: Yes.
DB: Did you make observations of a male, black, leaving?
RL: No, not me personally?
DB: Did someone tell you? ... What did you learn?

Defense: Objection. Lack of foundation.
JM: I got to know who he talked to.

DB: You responded to the store with your partner, correct?
RL: Correct.
DB: ... who were the other individuals?
RL: Officers from our major crime division.
DB: Did you speak to those officers on the radio?
RL: On radio. I don't know who the person was I spoke to on the radio.

There's an objection. Either Judge Marcus or Ms. Brazil states that it's not being offered for the truth of the matter. The objection is over ruled.  There is another objection about who was under surveillance. Judge Marcus rules that the answer stands.  Direct is finished.  Marie D'Onofrio crosses for defendant Bryan Barnes.  I believe it's Judge Marcus who warns that he's going to break within fifteen minutes of the allocated time today. (Court is ending at 3:15 PM because Mr. Sztraicher has an appointment on the west side at 4:00 PM. Sprocket.) Judge Marcus tells the clerk, "By the way, he still needs time."

MD: You indicated you arrived at the scene on South Raymond on the 11th at approximately 4:15 in the AM?
RL: Yes.
MD: When you arrived, was the canopy already over the vehicle?
RL: No.
MD: It was not?
RL: I don't believe the canopy was up at that point.

Lait did not put up the canopy or direct someone to do it.

MD: Did you assist in marking the casings that were near the vehicle?
RL: Yes.
MD: Do you recall what time you did that, in relation to your 4:15 arrival?
RL: It was probably within an hour. It's an estimate.
MD: The photographs that you were shown of the vehicle and the casings, did you assist in taking those photographs?
RL: The photos were taken by a police photographer.

Lait testified that his participation in taking the photographs was most likely suggestions about what shots were taken.

MD: So you don't recall being present while those two shots were taken?
RL: That's correct.
MD: With respect to the arrival, when you arrived at the crime scene, were there other officers at the scene? ... Can you give me an estimate?
RL: This would be a general estimation. At least four to five other detectives and at least six other officers. ... And that's very ballpark.
MD: With respect to those that you saw them there, where were they in relation to the vehicle?
RL: My recollection, they were not near the vehicle.  ... I do remember there was one officer who was near the porch to prevent other people from approaching the glass and blood at the scene.
MD: Back to your interview with Ms. Li. ... (You?) interviewed (her) on April 11th?
RL: Yes.
MD: Do you recall what time?
RL: It may be indicated on my notes, I don't know.
MD: Was it 9 AM?
RL: It was earlier.
MD: Was it still dark?
RL: I think so.
MD: So you may have spoken to her as early as 6:30 AM? ... Who also was present?
RL: Officer Winston Lee.
MD: Did you record that (interview)?
RL: I have notes. ... I don't remember if I recorded it or not. It would have been turned over to the lead officers and it would have been noted.

Lait verifies that Ms. Li told him she saw Ms. Wu talking on her phone.

MD: Did Ms. Li tell you if those conversations were in English or Chinese?
RL: I don't know. I interpreted it to be talking. I didn't note the language.
MD: Did you ask Ms. Li during the conversation whether or not she had heard gunshots?
RL: I'm sure I asked her. I don't recall what the answer (was)...
MD: Did she tell you she heard three shots?

Lait asks to look at his notes.

MD: I'm asking you if you remember.
RL: The answer's no.

D'Onofrio is now asking if he has independent knowledge of his interview with Jeff Wu, an if it was tape recorded. Lait again states that if he recorded it he would have turned it over. Lait states that Mr. Wu indicated that Mr. Qu dropped the other three men in the dinner party at Mr. Wu's residence. Mr. Wu stated that the distance Mr. Qu was going to drive (to the girlfriend's) was a few blocks.

MD: And so there would have been a period of time then that Mr. Wu did not observe what may have occurred from his residence to the Raymond residence. Is that correct?
RL: Yes.
DB: Objection!
JM: Over ruled.
MD: Did you conduct your interview with Mr. Wu in English? ... Did you ask him if he required the assistance of an interpreter?
RL: No.
MD: To the wire tap authorization, with respect to the line number 2 ending in 96, did the subscribers name appear on the information for the telephone company regarding who the subscriber was?
RL: I'd have to refer to my affidavit.
MD: Would it refresh your memory? ... I'm asking if you have an independent recollection?
RL: No, I do not.
MD: Did you report in your affidavit if this was one of those prepaid phones?
RL: (I don't recall.)
MD: Now, you listened to that phone call, or were you told by Detective  Hansen that number ... that the 96 number was calling? ... Do you know off the top of your head the last four digits that number was?
RL: Not off the top of my head.
MD: Did you make a determination who that number belonged to?
RL: I just can't say, because I don't have the affidavit.
MD: Did you list that number in your affidavit?
RL: No, because as we would be listening to numbers coming in, we would investigate them.

There's question after question about this phone call and then the Simple Mobile business.  There's a question about the Simple Mobile store, and the fact that there's no name on the front of the store.

MD: I noticed in the photograph, that it had no name on the front. ... When was that photograph taken?
RL: I don't know when that photo was taken, but I can state that was how it appeared when I visited that location.
MD: So when you were there, (there) was no name on that location?
RL: That's correct.
MD: You went inside this location?
RL: That's correct.
MD: Essentially, this was a flower shop?
RL: Yes. ... There was a counter, that takes up 1/10th of the layout.
MD: And did you see anything that indicated that it was a Simple Mobile location? ... Was there any sort of sign or plaque that described it as a Simple Mobile store?
RL: Yes and no. ... As a cell phone (place?) but no in terms of Simple Mobile.
MD: Was there any sign, of any sort on that counter that indicated to you that you saw, that said cell phone business.

It appears the witness is confused as to what Ms. D'Onofrio means. Signs in paper or an indication.

RL: There were indications, but there were no signs that I recall.
MD: So you saw that there were other cell phones?
RL: Ther were (cuts? pieces?) of paper with rate plans on them of some sort.
MD: When you interviewed, when you spoke to Mr. Gonzales at this location on May 14th, was that recorded?

I believe it's DDA Brazil who makes an objection.  The court clerk speaks to Judge Marcus. The court then reads back over the testimony and over rules the objection.

RL: He did not know he was being recorded.
MD: Were you the one that carried the recording device?
RL: It was either myself or Officer Lee.
MD: When you were speaking to Mr. Gonzales at the store, do you recall approximately how long you spoke to him?
RL: I would estimate 20 minutes.
MD: Did you ever in the course of your speaking to him ask him if he made any effort or whether or not he asked the seller where he got the phone from? ... I'm not asking for the words spoken...

There's an objection to this question but I miss the ruling.

MD: Did Mr. Gonzales ask the seller if the phone was stolen?
DB: Objection! Relevance.
JM: You introduced the conversation. Over ruled. You can answer that.
RL: If that indicates the black phone, no.
MD: Did Mr. Gonzales tell you during your conversation what he did with it?

Mr. Gonzales may have advertised the phone on Craig's List.  A question about how much Mr. Gonzales listed it for is objected to and sustained on 352 grounds.

MD: Did you interview Mr. Gonzales again any time after May 14th?
RL: No.

D'Onofrio is finished and Ms. Seng gets up to cross for defendant Javier Bolden.

JS: He told you that a female by the name of Lottie (who?) had him unlock the phone?
RL: He had earlier in the day, he had a text exchange with a Lottie, yes.
JS: He tried to show you those text messages he ....
RL: (He did.)
JS: And in those text messages, he was in negotiation with Lottie for the price of the phone?
RL: Yes. ... there may have been discussion about price, some back and forth. I can't recall that.
JS: Did she tell him that someone would come down to the store to sell that phone?
RL: Yes.

Lait states he doesn't know the specifics of the exchange at that point.  There's an objection that the testimony misstates the evidence. I believe Ms. Brazil states that the defense attorney is characterizing Ms. Lottie as an agent and that's not based on the (conversations?).  Apparently, Lottie identified the seller as her boyfriend.

SG: At one point he identified the individual as having wavy hair?
RL: He did.
SG: Did Mr. Gonzales suspect that the black phone was stolen?
RL: No.
SG: Did he suspect that the while phone was stolen?
RL: Yes.

The prosecution has no redirect and the witness is excused.

JM: Now we have the counsel that's been appointed for the witness. ... Let's see if we can deal with that issue. ... Can we ask her to come in?  Ms. Collins is wearing sweat pants and a sweatshirt top pullover. Her court appointed attorney is with her. He tells the court Ms. Collins is willing to testify. Judge Marcus asks if she will be asserting her fifth amendment rights. Judge Marcus apologizes that they will not be able to finish today.

JM: Are you ready Ms. Collins? ... Please raise your right hand.

Collins slowly takes the stand. To me, she appears scared, as if she doesn't know what is going to happen to her.  She states her name and spells it. Latiana Collins.

4. LATIANA COLLINS.

JM: The first thing I have to tell you is in order to be a good witness you have to speak into the microphone. You have to talk really loud so I can hear you. I can hardly hear anything.

Judge Marcus adopts a friendly, almost grandfatherly tone with the witness when speaking to her.

Ms. Collins is 20 years old. She graduated from King Drew High School in 2011. She also recently graduated from a CNA school, a certified nursing assistant program.  She graduated from that this year.  She's asked if she recognizes anyone in the courtroom. She identifies Bryan Barns. She then identifies Javier Bolden.  She nervously rubs her face.

DB: Ms. Collins, when did you first meet the defendant Bryan Barnes?
LC: I believe in 2011.
DB: IN April 2012, was Bryan Barnes staying at your house.
LC: Yes.
DB: Were you and Bryan Barnes involved in a romantic relationship?
LC: Yes.
DB: How long had you been involved with (Barnes)?
LC: Not long. A couple months.
DB: Would it be accurate to say you started dating Bryan in February or March of 2012? .. Would that be correct?
LC: I' not, I don't know the exact date.
JM: What would be the exact month you would put it in?
LC: Like February.
(JM?): Of 2012?
LC: Yes.

DB: You said that you first met him in 2011?
LC: Yes.
DB: Did you meet him at school or some other place?
LC: Outside of school.

Barnes nervously taps his left leg while Collins is testifying.

DB: When you were knowing, or dating Bryan Barnes, did you see him hang out with Javier Bolden?
LC: Yes.
DB: Do you know a party crew "No Respect?
LC: Yes.
DB: ... Is it a group of people that go to parties?
LC: I'm not so sure.
DB: Do you know whether Bryan Barnes was a member of the group that went to parties and called themselves No Respect?
LC: Yes.
DB: Do you know if Javier (Bolden) hung out with the party crew that called themselves No Respect?
LC: Yes.

A break is called.  Judge Marcus wants to find out something about tomorrow. Ms. Collins wants her attorney here.  Her counsel tells the judge he can move some things around.  Judge Marcus inquires about how much longer her direct testimony will be and how long will cross be. He wants to finish this first thing in the morning.  Judge Marcus would like to start at 8:30 AM but he's unable to get detainees from the sheriff's before 8:45 AM. He comments that Judge Perry is able to get defendants to his courtroom by 8:30 AM, but he doesn't know how he does it.

Judge Marcus then address the witness. He talks to her almost as if she is a child.

JM: I'm sorry, but you do have to listen to me. I'm a very nice guy. You have to come back tomorrow. It's like I give you a subpoena. ... You understand?

Ms. Collins tells the court that she gets off work at 8:30 AM in the morning.  She works at night. It's agreed that she is ordered back at 9:00 AM.  Judge Marcus adds, "Do you understand it's the court order? ... And you will come? ... Alright."


Angel Mendoza aka Pedro Juarez
After court ends in Dept. 102, I head over to Dept. 101, Judge Coen's courtroom, to see if I can hear any of DDA Garrett Dameron's opening statement in his case against Angel Mendoza, another death penalty case.  If I'm remembering correctly, Mendoza is charged in the deaths of four individuals.

When I enter Dept. 101, the courtroom is almost empty.  There's no one in the gallery and no jury. I"m wondering if they were sent home. There are a few people in the well chatting. DDA Garrett Dameron is there along with a pretty, trim, female co-counsel.  The court reporter is a face I recognize. She was the court reporter during the first Phil Spector trial in Judge Fidler's courtroom.

Up on Judge Ronald Coen's bench I see the large metal file boxes I've heard so much about.  I try to do a quick count and I think there are six or seven boxes there. DDA Dameron tells me that he just finished his opening statement.  I'm quite disappointed because I wanted to hear him present his case.  I believe Mendoza is a gang member whose moniker was "Evil." The case is on a break and they will come back for the defense opening statement.  I decide to stay to hear the defense opening. I don't know the defense counsel's name.  When I first notice the defendant, he's sitting facing forward. He's not looking at his attorney or the jury.  I can only see the side of his face.  From where I'm sitting he appears to be a teenager, but I know from the LA Co. Sheriff's Inmate Locator web site, he's 5' 10" tall and over 30 years old. Still, my impression is of a small, diminutive man.

Mendoza's defense attorney begins, "In the words of John Donne, ... every death is tragic." (I tried to find this exact quote for poet Donne on line, but I couldn't. Sprocket.) "We have four deaths. ... I will not argue the case before you.  ... You've been presented with what the prosecution believes the evidence will show.  ... What will tie all these visual images you've been shown is the testimony of witnesses." I continue to take notes, but they are meaningless because I missed the prosecution's opening.

Mendoza's defense attorney then goes over a list of witnesses, (Johnathan Van Dyke (sp?), Popeye, the defendants brother, Juan (sp?), Mikey, Ghost (sp?), Snake, and others) and what their role was in the various events of this case.  The defense attorney tells the jury that Johnathan Van Dyke was the mastermind. He also tells the jury that his client didn't have anything to do with the planning (of one of the events). That had to do with a man named Mikey, who was Angel's younger brother. Angel had been in a gang since he was very young.

"With respect to Angel, he didn't plan, he didn't premeditate. He's impulsive. ... He's got frontal lobe damage. ... I would ask you ... to make any finding ... must be made under reasonable doubt. ... Must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt."

Judge Coen reads jurors the admonition about talking about the case amongst themselves or anyone else.  He tells them the dates that court will be dark. After the jury is excused, DDA Dameron tells the court that he still has not received a report from the defense for one of their expert witnesses.  Dameron tells the court the defense mentioned these experts and reports that he has not seen.  Judge Coen voices his concern about an expert testifying without turning over a report.  The defense attorney assures the court that Mr. Dameron will get the records tomorrow.  Dameron tells the court that he still hasn't seen a report. Judge Coen tells Dameron that his request is noted.

Afterwards, Judge Coen starts to remove his file boxes off his bench.  I try to count them. I think there are eight large boxes. I've been told he locks them up every night.  I don't remember what initiated it, but from the bench, Judge Coen talks about the boxes and what they contain. He states they hold every US Supreme Court decision. He states other decisions that the files hold but I did not get it all. He was speaking so fast. I believe he also said that they also contain every California appeals and California Supreme Court decision as well.  It's my understanding that Judge Coen teaches death penalty seminars to other judges.

After Garrett Dameron and his co-counsel pack up I make my way back home.

UPDATE 10/09:
I did not get a good look at Angel Mendoza. It's my understanding he's 36 years old and weighs over 240 lbs. Mendoza is charged with four murders. Two counts are felony murder. Sprocket.

Continued in Barnes & Bolden prelim, Day 2....


Michael Thomas Gargiulo Case: People's Perkins Operation Motion in Limine & Transcript

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 Michael Thomas Gargiulo, date unknown

I've obtained a copy of a motion that was filed by the prosecution on September 23rd, 2013. This is a motion in limine to admit Gargiulo's statements made during a "Perkins Operation" at the El Monte jail.  The motion has a memorandum of points and authorities in support of the motion. The "Perkins Operation" was conducted on June 17th and 18th, 2008.  A copy of the motion was given to Gargiulo on September 25th, 2013.

A Perkins Operation refers to an Illinois v. Perkins case that the US Supreme Court ruled on in 1990.

The people's motion is 55 pages long and the audio recording transcript is over 500 pages long.  Both have been uploaded to T&T's SCRIBD Account.  I highly recommend reading the motion since it gives the people's position of the alleged crimes. 

The transcript covers over 40 hours of audio recording. I hope to eventually obtain the audio recording and upload it to the web.

People's Motion in Limine "Perkins Operation"

Transcript of Perkins Operation Part 1
Transcript of Perkins Operation Part 2
Transcript of Perkins Operation Part 3
Transcript of Perkins Operation Part 4
Transcript of Perkins Operation Part 5
Transcript of Perkins Operation Part 6

Document links have also been added to Gargiulo's QUICK LINKS page.

Bryan Barnes & Javier Bolden Prelim Day 2, Part II, USC Chinese Grad Students Murders, Ying Wu & Ming Qu

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Continued from Prelim Day 2.....

I get up on the 9th floor a bit late for me, 8:45 AM.  Javier Bolden's mother is sitting beside me on a hallway bench, nervously rocking it.  She's tall and very slender.  A female sheriff walks by that she appears to know.  Smiling, she says to the deputy sheriff, "Still here." The sheriff holds three fingers up and says, "Three more years and then I retire."

Jane Robeson from the DA's office clears security and heads in this direction.  She pops into several courtrooms at this end of the hallway.

8:51 AM
Bolden's mother heads into Judge Marcus' courtroom. Her son's attorneys, Andrew Goldman and Jana Seng come this way with their rolling carts.

8:52 AM
Inside Dept. 102, I see Judge Marcus at his clerk's desk, chatting.  Bolden's counsel set up their files.  More people arrive.  An older man, a woman and a younger woman. The older man approached the bailiff and asks about where witnesses check in. The prosecution isn't here yet, so the bailiff has them take a seat to wait. Mr. Sztriacher arrives and Mr. Goldman has a friendly chat with him.

9:15 AM
Bryan Barnes' mother arrives. She sits at the other end of the second bench row from Bolden's mother.  They don't speak to each other. 

9:20 AM
Judge Marcus goes on the record in the preliminary hearing. Judge Marcus tells Ms. Brazil, "You indicated your witness would be here. She's not here." Ms. Brazil replies, "She is here."  She goes out to the hallway to retrieve her witness.  More people enter the courtroom. Ms. Collins enters the courtroom with her court appointed attorney and some supporters.

9:21 AM
Collins takes the stand. Judge Marcus explains to her she's still under oath.  She appears to be a reluctant witness. My phone goes off and I rush out of the courtroom as fast as I can to silence it. Because of that, I miss the first questions the witness is asked.

Bryan Barnes was staying with Latiana Collins at her home on April 11th of last year.

DB: At 10 PM on April 10th, did someone come to your house to pick up Bryan Barnes?
LC: Bryan left but I did not walk outside to see if he walked outside.
DB: Who came to pick him up, if you know?
LC: No.
DB: Do you recall being interviewed by Detective Carreon, telling him that Javier Bolden picked up Bryan?
LC: That was over a year ago and I don't recall.
DB: May 15th, of 2012, you met with Detective Carrion, who brought you to court today. ... (You spoke about?) ... your relationship with Bryan Barnes? ... My mistake. May 18th, 2012. ... When he asked you if Javier Bolden picked Bryan up from your house do you remember that?
LC: Yes.
DB: And you said that he did?
LC: Yes.

Defense attorney for Bolden, Jana Seng objects. "Lack of foundation." Judge Marcus rules, "You will get a chance on cross."

DB: Did Bryan Barnes return to your house some hours later?
LC: Yes.
DB: Approximately what time of day or night (did he) return?
LC: I don't know the exact time.

There's another objection. Judge Marcus rereads the court reporter's transcript. "I'm going to ask you to rephrase," he rules.

DB: I want to focus your attention on the date of April 11th (2012). Do you have that time frame fixed in your mind?
LC: A month after that I lost my uncle so I don't remember about that time.
DB: Do you recall that date stood out in your mind because that's the date you and Bryan began (your/) relationship? ... Because that's the date ... began to officially date. ... That date sticks out in your mind?
LC: Yes.
DB: Some hours past ... did Bryan Barnes return to your residence?
LC: Yes.
DB: What time?
LC: I don't know. I'm not sure.
DB: Can you estimate for me?
LC: I don't know.
DB: When you spoke to Detective Carreon, do you remember that you told Detective Carreon....
LC: I don't know.
JM: I'm going to ask, if you're going to do this, I would ask that you outline page (and line?) number.

Brazil flips through a transcript at the podium. Judge Marcus asks Brazil that to give the witness an opportunity to recall before she impeaches the witness.  More people arrive in Dept. 102.

DB: Would it refresh your recollection if you reviewed a portion of the transcript of when you talked to Detective Carreon?

I miss answer. Judge Marcus then addresses the witness about the purpose of the transcript.

JM: The purpose of reading it is, is to refresh your memory of talking to Detective Carreon.

Brazil points out to the witness the pages she is to read.  The witness reads the transcript on the stand while we wait.  Brazil then asks her to read lines 2 through 5 on page 25. Ms. D'Onofrio objects to the witness reading the transcript.  Judge Marcus doesn't know if that's valid at this point.  Ms. Brazil states she will ask the questions again.

DB: Do you recall the night of April 10th? ... Bryan Barnes left your house and returned in the early morning hours.
LC: I don't remember
DB: Did you have an opportunity to review your transcript before you came to court?
LC: Some of it, yes.
DB: I gave you a copy of it to read?
LC: Yes.

Bryan Barnes was sleeping in her room on the couch.

DB: On April 11th or April 12th, did you see Bryan Barnes with an iPhone?
LC: You said when?
DB: April 11th, during the day time.
LC: Yes.
DB: Did you ask where he got the phone?
LC: Yes.
DB: What color was the iPhone?
LC: I don't remember.
DB: Ms. Collins, did you take an iPhone that you got from Bryan Barnes to a Simple Mobile store?
LC: Yes.
DB: What color was that?
LC: I don't remember.
DB: How do you feel about testifying today.
LC: I don't know.
DB: Are you afraid?
LC: Yes.
DB: Why are you afraid?
LC: Because I ..... It was a year ago. I put it past me. ... I lost my uncle and all I remember is, I don't see him no more. ... I don't remember nothing. ... It was a bad tragedy.
DB: Are you saying you don't remember anything because you don't want to testify in this matter?

I miss the answer.

DB: What color was the cell phone that you took to the Simple Mobile store?
LC: I don't know. I don't remember.
DB: Would it refresh your recollection (to read?) where you talked about the iPhone you took to the Simple Mobile store. ... Would it help you to remember?
LC: Yes.
DB: A moment.

She brings up the death of her uncle as an excuse. She rubs her head, her face, while Brazil tries to find a specific passage in the transcript.  She rests her head in her right hand, then leans back in the chair.

DB: Did you go to the Simple Mobile store some time on May 15th of last year?
LC: I know I went to the Simple Mobile store but I don't know the date.
DB: When you went to the store was it in 2012, correct?
LC: Yes.
DB: It was when you were involved with Bryan Barnes?
LC: Yes.
DB: It was a phone that Bryan Barnes gave you?
LC: Yes.
DB: Why did you take the phone to the store?
LC: To use it. I didn't have no phone.
DB: What did you want the person to do to the phone to help you to use it?
LC: To activate it.
DB: Did you ask him where he got that phone?
LC: He said he found it.
DB: What color was that phone?
LC: I don't remember
DB: Did you try to use the phone you took to the Simple Mobile store? .. What happened?
LC: It didn't work.
DB: When you took the phone you got from Bryan Barnes, did you have a conversation with him (the store owner?) abut buying that phone?
LC: Yes. ... But it wouldn't work with a Simple Mobile carrier.
DB: So did you take that phone back with you?
LC: Yes.

DB: Did you call the man back, that you were going to send your boyfriend back with the phone?
LC: No.
DB: You don't recall or you didn't? ... You didn't call or text? ... Which is it?
LC: No.
DB: Did you talk with Bryan Barnes about the man with (the?) Simple Mobile store?

JM: Did you tell Bryan Barnes about the man with Simple Mobile that he could take phones and activate them?
LC: Yes. ... No, that was the first time, he activated my phone.
DB: On a prior occasion?
LC: Yes.
DB: You had been there before?
LC: My mom paid her bill there.
DB: You took the phone to this man and he wasn't able to activate it?
LC: Yes.
DB: So you took the phone back with you?
LC: Yes.
DB: Sometime after that, did you have a conversation with Bryan Barnes about having the guy at Simple Mobile buy that phone?
LC: Yes.
DB: When you were dating Bryan Barnes, did you see him using a cell phone?
LC: His phone, yes.
DB: Describe that phone.
LC: A gray phone.
DB: Do you know what type of phone?
LC: No.

DB: Did Bryan Barnes give you a phone to use while you were dating him?
LC: I don't know which phone it was. It was a regular phone.
DB: Was it a Sprint phone?
LC: No.
DB: Did you see Bryan Barnes use a white phone while you were dating him?
LC: No.
DB: So you only remember Bryan Barnes only using a gray iPhone?
LC: It wasn't an iPhone. ... It was only one iPhone.
DB: What color was that?
LC: I don't know. ... I don't remember.
DB: Where did Bryan Barnes tell you he got that phone he took to Simple Mobile?
LC: He found it.

9:45 AM
Things are going awfully slow with this witness.  DDA Akemon is not here. I don't remember seeing him this morning.

DB: Ms. Collins, did you ever see Bryan Barnes with a white iPhone?
LC: I don't recall.
DB: I'd like to approach and ask her to read pages 71 and 71 of her recorded interview. ... Start reading on line 25 and down to the end of page 71.  Let me know when you're finished reading.

Brazil is wearing a gorgeous, several stranded necklace with various pendant crystals. Her dress and matching jacket are grayish-black. Ms. D'Onofrio objects. "I don't see anything on those pages." Judge Marcus rules, "I will indicate that there is sufficient evidence to Green this witness. She has a considerate lack of memory and her answers are evasive."


I believe Judge Marcus ruled the witness "Green" because during examination, their under oath statements were inconsistent with prior statements to officers, and those prior statements can now come in as part of the court record. (If the legal eagles out there interpret the Calif. v. Green case differently, please let me know. Sprocket.)

There's a problem with the defense attorney's copy of the transcript.  It might have been re paginated. DDA Brazil asks for a recess. Judge Marcus comments that it only costs about $10,000.00 to "run this." Since there is a break, the defendants are put back in the holding area. 

During the break those of us in the media ask each other what it meant to "Green" the witness. I initially thought he said "glean." Pat Kelly from the Public Information office gets clarification for us.  Judge Marcus is referring to California v. Green, a case that went all the way to the US Supreme court. Ijokingly comment that ironically, it's a marijuana case.  The break is over. People start to file back in and the defendants are brought back out.

10:13 AM
Back on the record.

DB: Ms. Collins, what color was the iPhone that you took to Simple Mobile?
(MD:) Objection! Asked and answered.
JM: Over ruled!
LC: Can you repeat the question?
DB: What color was the iPhone that Bryan Barnes gave you that you took to Simple Mobile last year?

I miss her answer. Ms. Brazil asks, "Are you sure it wasn't black?" Collins mumbles something to herself that I miss hearing.

LC: Yes, it was black.
DB: So what color was the iPhone that Bryan Barnes gave you that you were going to have unlocked that you could use?
LC: Black
DB: Did Bryan Barnes tell you where he got it?
LC: He said he found it.
DB: Did he tell you where he found it?
LC: No.
DB: Did you ever use the black iPhone?
LC: No.
DB: And you told us that, Mr. Gonzales, the man at the Simple Mobile store wasn't able to activate that (phone) .... ?
LC: Yes.
DB: So you took that black iPhone back with you after you visited the store?
LC: Yes.
DB: Did you later have a conversation about the iPhone about selling it to Simple Mobile?
LC: The man asked if he could buy it but I said it wasn't mine.
DB: So while you were there he asked you?
LC: Yes.

DB: Then you have a conversation with Bryan Barnes about the man wanting... ?
LC: The man wanted to buy the phone but I told him it wasn't mine.
DB: Did you have a cell phone that you were using at the time?
LC: No.
DB: When you (took?) that iPhone to the Simple Mobile store, it was your belief that Bryan Barnes found it?
LC: Yes.
DB: What did Bryan Barnes say when you told him that the guy at the Simple Mobile store wanted to buy it? ...
LC: He said he wasn't going to sell it. ... When I told him about the phone....

DB: Let me ask again. ... It's okay. ... So you went home and you told Bryan that the man was interested in buying the phone, what did Bryan Barnes say?
LC: He didn't say anything. ... Nothing.
DB: Did you give Bryan the address and the name of the guy at the Simple Mobile store so Bryan Barnes could sell that phone?
LC: Yes.
DB: Did you ever see Bryan with a white iPhone when you were dating?
LC: Yes.

DB: Did you ever see Bryan Barnes using or speaking into the white iPhone?
LC: Not talking on the phone; just music.
DB: And you told us you also saw Bryan using a gray phone?
LC: Yes.
DB: Any other phones other than the white iPhone for music and the gray phone to speak into?
LC: No.
DB: Back on April 11th, what time do you estimate that Bryan Barnes came back to your house after he left with (Javier) Bolden?
LC: Like around two in the morning.

My eyes are drawn to the two glass jars of candies on the clerk's desk.  One has chocolates and the other looks like it has large colorful gumdrops.

DB: Ms. Collins, to your knowledge did Bryan Barnes go back to the Simple Mobile store with the black iPhone?
LC: Yes.
DB: Do you remember when that was?
LC: No.
DB: Would it seem accurate to you that it was in May of last year?
LC: Yes.
DB: Did Bryan Barnes tell you he was going to sell the iPhone to the guy at the Simple Mobile (store)?
LC: Yes.
DB: Did you receive a phone call from the man at the Simple Mobile store, after Bryan Barnes went to sell the phone?
LC: No.
DB: Did the man call or text you after ...

(MD:) Objection! (?) ... Leading.
JM: Sustained on leading.

DB: At some point, after Bryan went to the Simple Mobile store, did you have a conversation with the man from Simple Mobile?
LC: Could you repeat that question please?
DB: After Bryan Barnes went to the Simple Mobile store, did you talk to the man from the Simple Mobile store?
LC: He texted ... and he got arrested.

(MD:) Objection! Hearsay.  (I miss the ruling.)

DB: You heard from Mr. Gonzales after .... ?
LC: Yes.
DB: Did you see Bryan after he went to the Simple Mobile store?
LC: He just got out of jail.
MD: Objection!  Non-responsive.

(Ms. Brazil or Judge Marcus adds that it's not for the truth of the matter.)

DB: When you saw Bryan next, was he at your house?
LC: Yes.
DB: Did he tell you where he'd been? ... Did he tell you he was arrested?
LC: They picked him up for a warrant or a train ticket, I don't know.
DB: At this point in time...
JS: Objection! Hearsay.
JM: Over ruled.

DB: After Bryan Barnes told you he had been arrested, did you go back with him to the 77 (Street)  Station? ... What was the purpose to go back to the 77 Station?
LC: To get his property.
DB: To get what they had taken when they arrested him? ... At this point in time, did you have a conversation with Bryan Barnes about the black cell phone?
Defense: Objection! Time. What time?
JM: Over ruled.
DB: Did you understand that question?
LC: Can you repeat it?
DB: After the 77 Station, ... did you talk to him again?
LC: I asked him what was going on.
DB: What did he say?
LC: Nothing. ... I wanted to know why we were here and why he was arrested.
DB: Did he tell you a different story?
LC: Yes. ... He robbed somebody.
DB: Did he tell you that's where he got that black iPhone?
LC: After.
DB: What do you mean after?
LC: After the fact.

DB: When he told you he robbed someone, ... talking about the black iPhone?
LC: I believe so, yes.
DB: Did he tell you he was with anyone when he robbed the black iPhone?
LC: No.
DB: Did Bryan Barnes tell you anything else happened when he robbed someone with the black iPhone?
LC: Repeat the question please.
DB:Did Bryan (Barnes) tell you anything else happened when he robbed the black iPhone?
LC:That he robbed somebody and he might have shot somebody.
DB: Did he tell you he was with somebody when he might have robbed somebody and shot someone?
LC: No.

Brazil asks for a moment to find a point in a transcript.

DB: Ms. Collins, where you interviewed by Detective Carreon on May 18th? ... And when you were interviewed, you were asked a question ... on Page 37, line 26.

Brazil continues, reading from the transcript.
Question: So who was he with that night?
Answer: I believe Javier.
Question: You believe or you know?
Answer: That's what he said.
DB: Do you recall telling the detective (that?)?
LC: Yes.
DB: So when Bryan Barnes told you he robbed and may have shot someone, he told you he was with Javier Bolden didn't he?
LC: Yes.

The witness sighs heavily on the stand, then rubs her forehead.  Barnes looks down at the defense table. His right elbow is on the arm of the chair and his chin is resting in his right hand.

DB: Have you seen Bryan Barnes with a gun before you were involved with ... your relationship  with him?
LC: No.
DB: When you were interviewed by Detective Carreon on (?) 2012, did you tell him that you saw Bryan with a gun when he was staying with his Mom on (?) street?
JM: Is there a page number for that?

DB: I'm sorry, page 74, starting on line 1.

Part of the transcript is read to the witness where she answers the detective's questions.  Collins states she saw a black gun in Barnes' backpack, which was also black. This was when he was still staying with his mother.  She doesn't recall any markings or logos on the backpack.  She states she did not see Barnes with a gun any other time while they were dating.  She holds her hand over her face.  Brazil reads from more of the transcript of her interview with Detective Carreon.

DB: Do you remember telling Detective Carreon that you saw Bryan Barnes with a gun at your house?
LC: Yes.
DB: What was he doing with a gun when he had it at your house? ... Describe for me where you saw it?
LC: In the backpack.
DB: Was this before Bryan Barnes sold the iPhone?
LC: Can you repeat it?
DB: Did you see the gun before Bryan tried to sell that black iPhone to the guy at Simple Mobile?
LC: It was way before that.
DB: When you saw Bryan with the gun at your house did you say anything about it?
LC: That it couldn't be there.

I believe Collins also testifies that Barnes replied "Okay." She's asked about the weapon again.

LC: I don't know too much about it. ... It was black.
DB: Ms. Collins, about how many times do you estimate ... you saw Bryan and Javier together during the time you were dating Bryan? .... Estimate how many times?
LC: They were together often. They were friends.
DB: So they were together often?
LC: Yes.
DB: Did you ever see Javier Bolden with a gun?
LC: No.

The witness rubs her face again.

DB: The black backpack that Bryan had the gun in, did he carry that backpack with him a lot?
LC: Not really.
DB: When Bryan told you that he robbed someone and that's how he got the black iPhone, did he give you any more details about that event?
LC: (Could you?) repeat it?
DB: You said that Bryan told you that he robbed someone for it, correct?
LC: Yes.
DB: Did he tell you where that happened?
LC: No.
DB: Did he describe or give you any details about that robbery?
LC: No.
DB: Did he give you any details about shooting the person when he took that iPhone?
LC: That he shot somebody.
DB: And he also told you that Javier Bolden was with him?
JS: Objection!
JM: Over ruled.

Brazil asks for a moment.

DB: When Bryan Barnes was staying at your house, did he have a car?
LC: No.
DB: Did you ever see Javier Bolden drive a car?
LC: They catch the bus or they got a ride.
DB: Did you ever see Bryan ever get into a particular kind of car .... ?
LC: No.
DB: Did you ever see Javier drive a car when he went to your house?
LC: No.
DB: Did Javier Bolden ever stay at your house?
LC: No.
DB: Did Bryan Barnes tell you whether or not he sold the iPhone at Simple Mobile?
LC: Yes.
DB: What did he tell you? ... Did he ever tell you what he sold the phone for?
LC: I think it was about one hundred dollars.
DB: Are you unsure about the amount of money?
LC: Yes.
DB: Nothing further.

Ms. D'Onofrio gets up to cross the witness first.

MD: I'd like to ask you a couple of questions ... Follow up questions from yesterday.  When did you first meet Bryan if you recall?
LC: In February.
MD: You didn't meet him in June 2011 at school?
LC: We wasn't going out at that time.
MD: Did you tell Detective Carreon ....

I believe there might be an objection here.

JM: That's where we get into trouble, when you paraphrase. We need the page and line numbers.

Ms. D'Onofrio searches for the page and line number.  There appears to be a problem with the paginating of the different copies of the transcript.  DDA Akemon enters at 10:44 AM. Bolden's defense attorney Jana Seng gets up to point something out to Ms. D'Onofrio.

MD: Ms. Collins, prior to testifying today, prior to your testimony yesterday, did you meet and speak with Ms. Brazil in this case? ... Do you remember when you met and spoke with her in relation to yesterday's date?
LC: Can you repeat this?
MD: When you met (with) Ms. Brazil?
LC: I met her a couple days before I had to come to court.
MD: So about a week ago?
LC: I had to come to court on the 25th. I spoke to her a few days before on the 25th.
MD: Was that by phone or in person?
LC: In person.
MD: Where did that conversation occur?
LC: At the 77 Station.
MD: Was anyone there besides her?
LC: The detective.

Ms. Collins points to one of the detectives.

LC: There was one other guy.
MD: An officer?
LC: I think it was an officer.

I believe Ms. Brazil whispers that it was DDA Akemon.

MD: Could it have been her co counsel?
LC: Yes.

Ms. Collins states the interview was about 15 minutes.

MD: During the course of that interview, were you asked to review that transcript?
LC: I went over it.
MD: You went over it during that 15 minutes?
LC: No.
MD: Prior to that interview, did you review that transcript before you actually spoke to her?
LC: No.

There are more questions about who set up the interview and who spoke to her.

MD: Who was the person who was speaking to you the most?
LC: Ms. Brazil.
MD: Before she started (questioning?) you, you had not read the transcript, correct?
LC: Correct.
DB: Was she asking you about the things, the iPhone for example?

I miss her answer.

MD: Answer my question first. ... Did she ask you specifically ... iPhones, the phones we were talking about today?
LC: Yes.
DB: Did she ask you about when you first saw those iPhones?
LC: No.
DB: Did she ask you about when you first saw those iPhones?
LC: No.
MD: Did she ask you about your trying to get that iPhone hooked up with the gentleman at the Simple Mobile Store?
LC: No.
MD: did she ask you about what you learned about that phone?
LC: No.
MD: Did she ask you about what Bryan had told you about that phone?
LC: No.
MD: Did ... what was that conversation about when .... ?
LC: She gave me the paperwork and she just said that I will have to ask questions. ... Just be honest; just tell the truth.

MD: Just so I understand, this person with the Simple Mobile store, do you know him by name?
LC: No.
MD: You don't know him by Mike?
LC: His name's Mike.
MD: Do you know his last name?
LC: No, I know him as Mike.

MD: After your meeting, you got a copy of the transcript. ... When in relation to receiving it did you read it?
LC: Like a day ago.
MD: Like yesterday?
LC: Yes.
MD: When you read it did you make any notes in that transcript that were confusing to you or you (?) were inaccurate?
LC: I didn't make any notes.

MD: Did you have the opportunity to watch that interview?
LC: I just know it was recorded. I just watched the video tape.
MD: You remember that date? ... Because you were arrested on that date as well? ... So, any time between the 22nd or the 23rd, when you met with Ms. Brazil, did you speak to anyone else about this case? ... Prior to testifying, did you speak to anyone about testifying?
LC: No.
MD: How did you get to court today?
LC: Officer.

An officer in the well of the court holds up his hand, identifying he brought Ms. Collins to court.

MD: When you came to court yesterday, how did you get to court?
LC: My mother.
MD: Did you talk to Mr. Carreon yesterday?
LC: No. ... He just asked me if I'm okay.
MD: No question about what your testimony in court ...
LC: No.
MD: No questions during the drive to court?
LC: No.
MD: Did you bring that transcript that you were provided by Ms. Brazil to court?
LC: Yes.
MD: Did you review it before testifying?
LC: Yes.

MD: You indicated that at some point Bryan told you that he found an iPhone, correct?
LC: Yes.
MD: Now, today, when you were first asked to describe the color of the iPhone, you said that you couldn't remember the color?
LC: Yes.
MD: You took a break and then you testified again and recalled that it was black. What refreshed your memory about that? ... What made you recall the color of the phone when you came back the second time?
LC: Can you rephrase?
MD: Let me bring you back a little bit. ... Ms. Brazil asked you several times this morning about an iPhone that Bryan said he found?
LC: Yes.
MD: And you said a number of times you couldn't remember the color, is that correct?
LC: Yes.
MD: She asked you about a white phone?
LC: Yes.
MD: Then we took a break, remember ... remember?
LC: Yes.

MD: Then we came back and Ms. Brazil asked you if you could remember and you said it was black. What made you remember the color of the phone?
LC: Because I remembered that Bryan was using a white phone and I remembered I was using a black one.
MD: Are you saying that all of a sudden you remembered the phones ... ? ... Want me to repeat the question for you?
LC: Sure.
JM: No editorializing counsel.
MD: Did you read anything or were you told anything that assisted you in remembering the color of the phone?
LC: No.
MD: So then again, I'll ask you how (is it?) you went from I don't remember to remembering?
LC: Because she asked me about the white phone so I remembered that I was using the black phone.
MD: She asked you about the white phone after the break?
LC: No.

I can't keep up. The intense cross back and forth, the questions are rapid fire and my fingers are feeling like mush.  Judge Marcus interrupts, and I believe asks a few questions of his own.

MD: When did Bryan tell you that he found this black iPhone? When ... ?
LC: He told me when I saw the iPhone and asked him where he got it from.

D'Onofrio asks a question about when that was in relation to April 11th.  She saw the black iPhone in the morning of April 11th.

MD: Did you ask him at that point how he found it? ... Did it look like a brand new phone to you?
LC: It just looked like a regular phone.
MD: Did you know that iPhone was expensive?

I miss a few questions and answers.  D'Onofrio asks for what reason did she go to the Simple Mobile store before.

LC: To pay a bill.
MD: Did you suggest to Bryan Barnes to take the phone to Mike, to assist in figuring out who that phone might belong to?
LC: No.
MD: Then you said that, at some point ....

I believe Collins interrupts her but I miss the statement.

MD: Let me just ask you.
LC: Your question gets confusing.

There are more questions about the phones and when Barnes had them.

MD: Did you tell Mike you found this phone and you wanted to use it?
LC: Yeah.
MD: So if I understand your testimony, the very first time he told you about the robbery, ... shooting, was after he was arrested on the warrants?
LC: Pardon me.

Ms. D'Onofrio repeats the question.  Collins states he told her after he went to the station, to pick up his property, about the shooting.

MD: When did Bryan tell you that he stole this phone, robbed and shot someone?
LC: The exact date, I don't know. ... He told me after he left the police station.
MD: And would that be approximately May 15th do you recall? ... On May 18th you were arrested?
LC: Yes.
MD: Can you tell me about how many days (after?) did he tell you about the shooting?
LC: About two days.
MD: The reason he told you was because you kept pressuring or asking him about the phones, wasn't it?
LC: Yes.
MD: When you were at the police station with Bryan?
LC: Yes.
MD: Did you wait in the lobby?
LC: Yes.
MD: Did someone come out to you, Detective Carreon, and ask you for your name and address?
LC: Yes.
MD: And you gave it to him?
LC: Yes.

D'Onofrio asks Collins where exactly the conversation took place, when Bryan told her about the robbery/shooting.

LC: I don't remember where it took place. ... I know it was after the police station.
MD: Do you remember how long that conversation occurred for ... ?
LC: Not long.
MD: Did you ever say to Bryan, 'You don't find a phone like this Bryan?'
(Unknown) Objection! Relevance.
MD: Your honor, I'm asking a questionm then I will go to the transcript.
JM: Sustained.

Barnes nervously bounces his left leg, then fiddles with his handcuffs.  Bolden is sitting with his back directly towards me so I rarely see his face.  I can see that he's flipping through some pages in front of him, possibly a transcript.

JM: How about page 17? There's some stuff on page 17.

MD: ... After Bryan told you where he said he got these phones from, did you at that point..
AG: Objection to "phones."
MD: I'll rephrase.  When after Bryan told you, after he got the black iPhone, when he was leaving the station trying to get his property, after he told you that, did you make any effort to contact any detective about that?
LC: No.
MD: Did you tell your mother?
LC: No.
MD: You recall being arrested on May 18th?
LC: Yes.
MD: And you were arrested at your home?
LC: Yes.

MD: You were told that you were going to be brought to the station?
LC: They said to face the wall.
MD: Do you remember the station you were brought to?
LC: 77th.
MD: Were you put in a cell alone?
LC: It was a holding tank, yes.
MD: Were you arrested in the morning? ... You were taken to a room?
LC: Yes.

D'Onofrio asks her which detectives were in the room with her. She points to Detective Carreon.

LC: And I know it was two for sure.
MD: Prior to being taken to that room to interview you, did any police officer talk to you about why you were there?
LC: They just said about the phone.


I believe Collins points to Detective Carreon as the officer who told her it was about the phone.

MD: You're saying that you spoke to (a?) detective before the interview?
LC: No, I didn't speak to anyone before they put me in the holding (area? cell?).

D'Onofrio asks if there was a clock anywhere, what time it was when she went to speak to the officer, and to estimate how many hours she waited to speak to the officers.

LC: A long time.
MD: Did anyone tell you it was two hours or so?
LC: It was pretty long.

Judge Marcus calls for a break. He wants to get a waiver on the record now for the defendants. He wants to find out if they will waive their right to a continuous prelim. Judge Marcus tells the parties that he has a commitment on Friday morning and he wants to make sure that, if the prelim goes longer than expected, the defendants will allow this Friday morning interruption to their prelim.  He asks both defendants counsel to talk to their clients about that.  Court will resume at 11:30 AM.  The pretty young reporter sitting on the bench to my left is Jill, working for the LA Times.

11:31 AM
The defendants are brought back out. Latiana Collins retakes the stand.

MD: When Bryan told you when he found this gun ...?
JM: Did you misspeak? Did you mean the iPhone?

MD: He told you he found it on April 11th in the early morning hours?
LC: Yes.
MD: How many times did you ask him? How many times did he tell you? Did he tell you that he found the phone...

(Unknown) Objection! Compound.
JM: Sustained.

MD: How many times did you ask him about finding this phone?
LC: More than once.
MD: Why? Where you suspicious?
LC: No, I just wanted to know where he found it.
MD: It never crossed your mind that he may not have found that phone?
LC: No.
MD: Never crossed your mind that phone might have been stolen?
LC: No.
MD: When you were at the police station on May 18th, and the police officer brought you into the room ... speaking to them ...
LC: The interview room?
MD: The two detectives, before you went to the room to speak to (them?), and you were sitting there in the holding cell, did you wonder what they were going to ask you about?
LC: Yes.
MD: Did you think it had to do with the black iPhone?
LC: Yes.
MD: Were you thinking about what you were going to say?
LC: I just wanted to go home.
MD: So the only thing you were thinking about in the holding cell for those couple of hours, the only thing you were thinking about was you wanted to go home?
LC: Yes.

MD: Did you tell them right from the beginning what Bryan told you about that iPhone?
LC: No.
MD: In the beginning, did you tell them that Bryan told you that he found that phone?
LC: Yes.
MD: And in the beginning of that interview, did you tell the police you didn't know more than that?
LC: Yes.
MD: ... Or are you remembering this from your own independent memory (or the?) transcript?
LC: Transcript.
MD: Set your mind away from the transcript for a moment.
LC: Okay.
MD: The police officer told you they think you know more?
LC: Yes.
MD: And, in the back of your mind you wanted to go home?
LC: Yes.
MD: Then you started telling the police more?
LC: Yes.

MD: Do you remember how far into your interview with police when you decided to tell more?
LC: After I was sitting there for hours.
MD: In the interview for hours?
LC: Yes.
MD: Now, when you were talking to police and then you told them more, correct?
LC: Yes.
MD: You thought Bryan told you that he robbed (?) or something like that?
LC: Yes.
MD: And you didn't tell them about the shooting right away did you?
LC: No.
MD: And they kept asking you, and then eventually you told them about Bryan saying something about shooting somebody?
LC: Yeah.
MD: In between this long conversation with detectives, you kept asking them if you could go home?
LC: Yes. ... They were going to charge me with second degree murder.
MD: And they said you would never go home?
LC: Yes.
MD: ... they said that to you in the interview?
LC: Yes.

Collins starts to cry on the stand. She wipes her eyes with a tissue.

MD: You asked police, you told them ... you begged them, 'Tell me what you want to hear."?
LC: Yes.
MD: So when you made these statements to police about what you say Bryan said to you, you said that because the police were threatening to charge you?
LC: I was scared. .. They said I was never going home. ... I had never been in jail before.
MD: But the reason you said these things was because you wanted to get out?
LC: Yes.

Judge Marcus passes Collins more tissues.  D'Onofrio is finished and Jena Seng, Bolden's attorney gets up to cross.

JS: You're pretty emotional at this point in time. ... You became emotional when ...
LC: Yes.

Seng asks if Collins became emotional because questions were asked about the detective said, when Collins thought she wasn't going home.  Collins states she's scared.  Seng asks if she was taken in handcuffs.

JS: You'd never been in trouble (before?)?
LC: No.
JS: You'd never been arrested before?
LC: No.
JS: And you knew that detectives wanted information from you
LC: I told them that I didn't know nothing.
JS: They told you some information about a shooting occurred? ... They told you some information about a shooing?
LC: Yes.
JS: That was something you didn't know before?
LC: Yes.
JS: They wanted information about you from the shooting?

A sheriff approaches Bolden from behind and leans in to whisper to him.

JS: At some (point? portion?) of the interview, you told them you assumed (?) was true but you didn't know for a fact?
LC: Yes.
JS: The detectives kept telling ... repeating to you the dates of April 11th, correct?
LC: Yes.
JS: They really wanted you to remember that date?
LC: Yes.
JS: But you didn't really know what happened on that date, that's correct?
LC: Yes.

JS: ... As some point in April, Mr. Barnes starts moving his stuff into your house, would you considered that time, (when?) you started dating him?
LC: We were good friends, dating, yes.
JS: When he first move stuff into your house you started dating?
LC: Yes.

JS: Back to the time you observed Barnes leave your house around night time and come back around early morning...  you didn't know what date that was did you?
LC: No.
JS: You were confused what day of the week that was?
LC: Yes.
JS: It could have been a Tuesday or Wednesday?
LC: Yes.

The witness sniffles.

JS: When Mr. Barnes left the house, you did not see him go out in the street?
LC: No. I stayed in the house.
JS: You didn't look out?
LC: No.
JS: You didn't look out the window or (see?) which car he got into?
LC: No.
JS: But you do remember he left wearing a sweater?
LC: He always wears sweaters. He's cold.
JS: You also told (Detective Carreon) Mr. Barnes talked to you about how he got this iPhone, is that right?
LC: Yes.
JS: But he did not tell you when he did that?
LC: (I don't know.)
JS: He did not tell you where, did he?
LC: No.
JS: He didn't tell you who the victims were did he?
LC: No.

Ms. Seng asks if Barnes' exact words were, "I think I shot somebody," and Collins replies, "Yes."

JS: He didn't think he killed anybody?
Unknown: Objection! Cause for speculation. (I miss the ruling.)
JS: He never said killed anybody did he?
LC: No.

Ms. Seng asks Collins to draw her attention to Javier Bolden, and previous statements she's made about him. That she's known him for a little bit of time when dating Mr. Barnes. Collins agrees. Seng verifies that Collins said that Barnes and Bolden were always together when they went somewhere. Collins agrees.

JS: You personally don't like Mr. Bolden?
LC: He's whatever. He's okay.
Unknown: Objection! Page please.
JS: You told detectives you didn't like him didn't you?
Unknown: Line, page please.
(JS?) Page 40, line 18.
JS: (Do you) recall being asked this question by Detective Carreon about Javier Bolden?
Question: I mean, is it pretty well known that you don't like him?
Your Answer: Yeah.
JS: You recall giving that answer?
LC: Yes.
JS: It's pretty clear you don't like him, that was in reference to Javier Bolden?
LC: Yes.
JS: And you don't like him?
LC: Yes.

I believe Seng goes over more of her interview with the detectives.

JS: You remember being asked that question and giving that answer correct?
LC: Yes.
JS: And that's not the only portion that ... you said throughout the interview that you don't like Mr. Bolden.
Unknown: Objection!
JM: Sustained.
JS: I'll move on. ... During the time that you saw or had been dating Mr. Barnes and had known Mr. Bolden, you had never seen them in a red car had you?
LC: No.
JS: Prior to your testifying in court you were given immunity by the prosecution?
DB: Objection! Approach?

I believe there is a side bar at the bench.

JM: Strike the last question and any question about immunity.

Ms. Seng talks so fast, it was difficult to keep up with her. I believe her last question before ending  was, if Collins had ever seen Barnes and Bolden in a red car.  Ms. Brazil gets up to redirect her witness.

DB: Ms. Collins, when you were interviewed by Detective Carreon at the 77th Police Station when you were arrested, you told us you were scared, correct?
LC: Yes.
DB: When you testified about that today you even started crying?
LC: Yes.
DB: Did you tell Detective Carreon the truth in that interview?
LC: I was scared. I don't know.
DB: Did ... Ms. Collins, were you lying?
LC: I don't know. I was scared.

DB: Have you been telling the truth here today?
LC: Yes. ... I'm scared. I don't want to be sitting here.
DB: Does your fear have anything to do with testifying in front of Bryan Barnes?
LC: Yes.
DB: He told you that he robbed someone and that's how he got the iPhone?
LC: Yes.

There's an objection about the specific wording of Ms. Brazil's last question.

DB: Bryan Barnes told you that he robbed someone and that's how he got that black iPhone?
LC: Yes.
DB: And he also told you that he shot someone?

I believe Ms. Collins or possibly Judge Marcus corrects Ms. Brazil. "That he think. ... That he think." That he think he shot someone.

DB: When you were testifying, were you trying to protect Bryan Barnes?
LC: Yes.
DB: When you spoke to Detective Carreon, he told you to tell the truth?
LC: Yes, but he also said ... (pause)

DB: Did Detective Carreon during the interview tell .... that he wanted you to tell the truth?
LC: Yes.
DB: When defense counsel for Mr. Bolden was questioning you, she asked you about your confusion about the date of April 11th, do you recall that?
LC: Yes.
DB: And the date of April 11th, during the conversation with detectives was significant to you because you told detectives that was the date, April 11th, Mr. Barnes asked you if you wanted to be his girlfriend?
Unknown: Objection!
JM: Is that in the transcript? ... The trouble I'm having ... the horse is already out of the barn. ... I can't find it leading at this point.

The page number and line is asked for in the transcript. Ms. Brazil reads from the specific area of the transcript. Collins verifies those were her answers. She verifies that the April 11th date was the day that she and Barnes started going together. She verifies that was a date she remembered vividly.

Judge Marcus calls for the lunch break. He asks defense counsel if they are going to waive the continuous prelim. Mr. Goldman hasn't asked his client yet.

Lunch Break.

1:27 PM
I'm inside Dept. 102. Ms. Collins is sitting with her mother and an older gentleman on the short benches by the bailiff's desk. They are chatting with Collins' court appointed attorney. DDA Akemon has joined us for the afternoon session. More people enter the gallery and sit in the front row.  The prosecution's next witnesses are brought in and ordered back on specific dates. After the witnesses leave the courtroom, the defendant's are brought out.  Judge Marcus starts the proceedings and then realizes, "Oops. We're missing one defendant."  The second defendant is then brought out.  Ms. Collins continues her redirect testimony.

DB: At any time you've had a conversation with me, have I ever told you what to testify to?
LC: No.
DB: When you were at the 77th Police Station, with defendant Bryan Barnes, after he had been released from jail, you said you spoke with (Detective Carreon?) and gave him your address and phone number?
LC: Yes.
DB: Did you give him your true name and address?
LC: Yes.

Ms. D'Onofrio recrosses the witness.

MD: Ms. Collins, during the lunch break, did you spend any time talking to Ms. Brazil?
LC: No.
MD: Any time at all?
LC: She just asked me if I had a way home.
MD: Did you talk to Detective Carreon?
LC: He just brought me lunch.
MD: Did he have lunch with you?
LC: No.
MD: Did you talk to your attorney or your family?
LC: Not about the case.

MD: You mentioned April 11th was a significant date because that's the date that Bryan Barnes asked you to be his girlfriend, or something like that?
LC: Yes.

Ms. D'Onofrio informs the court Page 10 of the transcript, line 18.  She quotes from the transcript, focusing on questions Ms. Collins was asked by detectives about the date, April 11th, and her answers. Ms. Collins doesn't recall mentioning a birthday.  There's a question as to whether or not she saw Barnes on April 11th.

MD: You said earlier you recalled Bryan coming home around 2 AM. ... Does he go to a lot of parties?
LC: Yes.
MD: Does he come home often like that?
LC: Yes.
MD: If he's been to a party, he ... came home like that?

Collins states she doesn't remember the dates.

MD: Are you guessing or do you know for a fact he came home around 2 AM?
LC: I said that was an estimate.
MD: But you're certain that it's April 11th?
LC: Yes.
MD: One hundred percent?
LC: Yes.
MD: Ms. Brazil asked you to tell the truth?
LC: Yes. 

MD: You (made?) ... something where you said, "I don't know what you're saying?"
LC: No.
MD: When you came here, did you think you could say anything different?
LC: No.
MD: You knew that you had to stick to what you said in that transcript, or you knew that you would be in trouble?
LC: Yes.
JM: She's asking you, specifically in respect to the iPhone ... being a robbery.
MD: Let me rephrase. .. The specific statements that you made that Bryan said that he stole the iPhone and shot someone?
LC: I'm confused. ... could you repeat it?
MD: Was it true or not true what you told Detective Carreon on May 18th about the iPhone? ... Was it the full truth?
LC: I was scared. I don't know.
JM: Do you understand the questions you're being asked?

I believe she answered, "Yes." Ms. D'Onofrio's cross is finished and Ms. Seng steps up to recross.

JS: Ms. Collins, isn't it true that you're scared? ... That you don't want to go back to jail?
LC: Yes.
JS: Is it true that you have to stick to the testimony of your interviews?
LC: Yes.
JS: You're scared that the detectives threatened you with second degree murder?
LC: Yes.
DB: Objection! Misstates the evidence.
JM: Over ruled!
JS: And that's why you're scared today?
LC: Yes.

Ms. Seng asks Collins if the date Barnes actually moved into her home is April 5th.  Collins replies, "Yes."  Seng is finished and Brazil redirects her witness again.

DB: Did anyone ever tell you that you must stick to the statements you made on April 18th?
LC: No.
DB: So when defense counsel asked you if you had to stick to the script, to stick to what you said in the interview, that's not correct is it?
Defense: Objection. Lacks foundation.
DB: I can rephrase. .. Ms. Collins, the defense attorney asked you several questions about how you feel you must testify today. ... When you testified in court today, did you tell the truth?
LC: Yes.
DB: Did you understand that you raised your hand and swore to tell the truth? ... And everything you testified today, has that been the truth to the best of your recollection?
LC: Yes.
DB: Did a detective, or me, or anyone else coach you to tell you what to say in court?
LC: No.
DB: On May 18th, 2012, you told Detective Carreon ... Bryan Barnes, your boyfriend at the time, that he robbed or (stole?) someone?
AG: Objection! Leading.
Defense: Objection. Asked and answered.
JM: Eventually this ping pong is going to stop.
DB: With respect, the defense counsel just asked....
JM: I know she did.

It's either Ms. Brazil or Judge Marcus who asks the last question before the witness is excused.

Question: When they questioned you on May 18th, when you told Detective Carreon that your boyfriend told you that he stole an iPhone and shot someone, was that the truth?
LC: Yes.

To be continued in Day 2, Part III.....

Bryan Barnes & Javier Bolden Prelim Day 2, Part III, USC Chinese Grad Students Murders, Ming Qu & Ying Wu

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October 1st, 2013
Continuing with the afternoon session of day two. Latiana Collins just got off the stand and Detective Carreon is recalled to the stand.

1. VINCENT CARREON.

Judge Marcus asks DDA Brazil if she is recalling the witness. "Yes, I am," she replies.  Ms. Brazil presents the witness.  Judge Marcus reminds counsel they are responsible for turning off the overhead projector light at night since the bulb costs $300.00.  "What can I say," Judge Marcus adds. "The court has no money."

DB: Regarding (the) May 18th interview with Ms. Collins, when you interviewed her, did you record the entire interview?
VC: Yes, it was.
DB: Did any detective, in your presence, did you or any of your colleagues threaten her with murder if she didn't testify?
VC: No, we didn't.
DB: Was she upset during the interview?
VC: Yes.
DB: Did she tell you she wanted to go home?
VC: Yes.
DB: Did she tell you she didn't know anything about the iPhone?
VC: At one point, yes.
DB: Did you tell her at any point what you wanted her to tell you?
VC: No.
DB: Did you tell her that you wanted her to tell the truth?
VC: Yes.
DB: Did you tell her at some point she was holding back?
VC: Yes.

DB: Now to the firearms, briefly. Did you have a conversation with William Moore, (sp?), the firearm's expert? ... Did you ask him that during the analysis of the firearm, casing related to the DR numbers, did you ask him what the caliber was?
VC: His opinion was they were fired through a 9 millimeter, semi-automatic Glock.

Ms. Brazil reads three DR numbers that the firearms expert linked the 9 millimeter casings.

DB: Turning again to the investigation that occurred on May 14th, 2012, at that point in time, there was a wiretap in place for two target telephones?
VC: Correct.
DB: And those were associated with (Bryan) Barnes and Javier Bolden?
VC: Correct.
DB: Do you see Bryan Barnes in court today?
VC: Yes.

Detective Carreon identifies the defendant Barnes.

DB: Do you recognize Javier Bolden in the courtroom?
VC: Yes.

Again, the detective identifies the other defendant, Bolden.

DB: On May 14th, 2012, as the detective in charge of the investigation (of the?) murders of Mr. Qu and Ms. Wu, did you dispatch law enforcement officials to conduct surveillance of the Simple Mobile store on Compton Blvd?
VC: Yes.
DB: Prior to those individuals undertaking surveillance, did you provide them with photographs?
VC: Yes.
DB: What were you asking them to surveil?
VC: (Photo of Mr. Barnes?)
DB: Did you have a contact with Ruben Holguin, a member of the surveillance team?

I believe the witness states that Holguin, an LAPD officer is assigned to the major crimes task force.

DB: What did he tell you?
VC: He said that he had seen Mr. Barnes enter (the Simple Mobile store).
(Unknown) Objection! Lacks foundation. Move to strike Mr. Barnes.

Defense attorney for Javier Bolden, Andrew Goldman states, "He's testifying that another detective saw Mr. Barnes."  Judge Marcus has an initial reply that I miss. He then adds, "Other than that, I don't see anything wrong with it."

DB: You told us that you provided a photo of Bryan Barnes to surveillance teams is that accurate?
VC: Yes.
DB: Did you also instruct the surveillance team of this individual....?
VC: Yes.
DB: So you provided a name and photograph?
VC: Correct.

DB: Did that information also include height and weight and so forth?
VC: Yes.
DB: When you had (a) conversation with Holguin, did he tell you that he saw someone that matched the description?
VC: Yes.

Holguin told Carreon that he saw Barnes walk into the Simple Mobile store located at (address) South Compton. Officer Lee and Detective Lait were dispatched there to try to intercept Bryan Barnes.

DB: You were present when Detective Lait booked evidence item number 49 as the phone he received from Simple Mobile?
VC: Correct.

Ms. Brazil presents photos to the witness.

DB: That would be the cell phone that was recovered from the proprietor of Simple Mobile?
VC: Correct.

DB: Did you instruct any officers to make contact with Bryan Barnes after he left the Simple Mobile store?
VC: Yes.
DB: Who did you instruct?
VC: I don't remember their names, but they were uniformed officers.
DB: What was your purpose?
VC: To detain them.
DB: Was Bryan Barnes detained at that point?
VC: Yes.
DB: Was he arrested?
VC: Yes.
DB: What was he arrested for?
VC: Misdemeanor warrants.
DB: Is it standard that they book property on them that they have at the time of the arrest?

I miss the answer.  Ms. Brazil asks the detective to list the items that were booked when Barnes was arrested.

VC: $218.00. A green sweater. Four memory cards in a plastic case.  One other item.
DB: Would it refresh your recollection to look at your notes?
VC: Yes. ... A black backpack with a USC logo on it.
DB: Did you have any contact with Bryan Barnes after he was arrested at the Simple Mobile Store?
VC: No.
DB: Was Bryan Barnes released shortly after he was arrested on those warrants and those property items?
VC: Yes.

DB: What was the next day that you saw Bryan Barnes after ... ?
VC: May 15th. ... He came into 77 Station to recover his booked items.
DB: Did you speak to him?
VC: Yes.
DB: What did Mr. Barnes say to you when you met with him?
VC: That he would like his items returned to him. ... I told him that there was one item I could return to him, the other items at another date.

Ms. Brazil asks the witness what Bryan Barnes said.

VC: He said that he had sold a black iPhone with a cover to a man at the Simple Mobile store. ... He said he sold it for $200.00.
DB: Did he say what he was paid in?
VC: He was paid in cash.
DB: What did Mr. Barnes say to you (about the iPhone)?
VC: He said he found it.
DB: Did he say in any other detail?
VC: He said he found it in the area of Imperial and Crenshaw.
DB: Any other details?
VC: He said it was behind Burlington Coat Factory, lying in a grassy area.

Barnes has his eyes closed for a bit.

VC: He said it was locked.
DB: Did Barnes say that he had any additional phones that he sold to the Simple Mobile store?
VC: He said he also had a white iPhone.
DB: Did Barnes say he asked the proprietor (of the Simple Mobile store) for any assistance for the white iPhone?

The phone store was able to unlock the white iPhone.   The witness states that Barnes said that he obtained them (the phones) in a park.

DB: Did you tell him what items would be returned?
VC: We were going to return his white iPhone to him and everything else would be detained.
DB: Was that the phone and phone number that was authorized and wire tapped?
VC: Yes.
DB: And you told him the other items such as the backpack and the case .... ?
VC: Yes.
DB: Did you tell Mr. Barnes why they were (investigating?) at the Simple Mobile store?
VC: I told him that we were conducting surveillance on that store because we (thought?) that store was buying stolen cell phones.
DB: Did Mr. Barnes tell you what plan he had when ... ?
VC: He said the plan was to sell that cell phone.
DB: Did he tell you where Mr. Barnes said he got the white iPhone?
VC: He said he bought it from a Hispanic guy in Hawthorne.
DB: Did you ask Mr. Barnes how he came to know about the Simple Mobile store?
VC: He said his girlfriend 'Lottie' had directed him.
DB: What did Barnes say in respect to that?
VC: He said she knew the person there as Mike.
JM: The person as the proprietor of the store?
VC: Yes.

DB: Did you also have contact on May 15th when he was retrieving his property? ... Did you also talk to Ms. Collins?
VC: Not at that same time.

I believe the witness is asked why he asked for Ms. Collins name and address.

VC: I just wanted to verify the information we had on her. ... Her name, address.  ... I believe that was it.
DB: Was she cooperative at that time?
VC: Yes.
DB: Was Mr. Barnes cooperative with the information he provided at that time?
VC: Yes.
DB: Did it seem that Mr. Barnes accepted your explanation that you provided about the surveillance?
VC: Yes.
JS: Objection! Relevance.
JM: Somewhat speculative. Objection sustained. ... I want to know why he came to that conclusion.

DB: When you explained to Bryan Barnes about the surveillance at the Simple Mobile store, describe to me how that exchange went.
VC: He was kind of wondering how we were able to be in contact with him. And we told him that we had been conducting surveillance on that store.  I guess he believed what he was told.
JM: Objection sustained. Answer stricken.
DB: Detective Carreon, so it's your testimony that, Bryan Barnes was questioning you about why he was contacted and arrested on his warrant, correct?
VC: Yes.
DB: And in response to his questions about why he was arrested at Simple Mobile ... you explained that the police were conducting an operation, a sting, related to stolen phones?
VC: Yes.
MD: Objection! Leading. Compound.

Judge Marcus stops to reread the transcript.

JM: He's already answered this so it's not leading. I'm going to allow the answer.
DB: You retained all his other belongings except for his white iPhone?
VC: Correct.
DB: I have a CD that I'd like to be marked People's next in order, number 22 and People's 23 (a transcript).

Ms. D'Onofrio asks to approach as to this CD.  Judge Marcus wants to know if there is a reason they cannot do this in open court.  Ms. D'Onofrio responds, "Yes." The transcript is a 10 page transcript. Judge Marcus replies, "I'll look at it and then we'll have counsel approach."  Counsel approach.  I step outside the courtroom to check my phone.  The side bar is over and we're back.

DB: Detective Carreon, prior to coming to court today, did you listen to People's 22?
VC: Yes.
DB: Did you listen to the voices on the CD?

The witness identifies the voices as Bryan Barnes and Javier Bolden.  He's asked how he's certain of their voices.

VC: Because I'd spoken to Mr. Barnes at least twice and I spoke to Mr. Bolden for an hour on the 18th.
JS: Objection. (I miss Seng's reason.)

I believe Judge Marcus responds, "The only reason I'll allow the discussion... If you read the conversation very carefully, it also reveals the relationship between (Barnes & Bolden) .. I'm going to over rule ... that he can identify the voices."

DB: In addition to capturing the voice on the wire tap...

I think there is an objection and Judge Marcus tells Ms. Brazil, "I think you need to lay a foundation."

DB: Detective, you were in charge of this investigation, correct?
VC: Correct.

The witness verifies that he is familiar with the target lines of the wire tap and who they belonged to. He knew this because he was advised by Detective Lait what the target numbers were.  Ms. Seng makes an objection but it's over ruled.  Brazil asks for a moment. She's trying to get the audio to play. Judge Marcus addresses the prosecution, "I believe you usually bring speakers."  He's smiling as he says it. Ms. Brazil responds, "I believe Mr. Akemon has a speaker. We just didn't have it out."  Judge Marcus responds, "Big speaker. Usually they have little speakers."  The LA Times reporter enters and sits with City News reporter Terri Keith.  We go back on the record.  Judge Marcus asks all the attorneys to stipulate that the court reporter doesn't have to take down the CD.  Ms. D'Onofrio and Ms. Seng stipulate.  I try to listen.
Hello.
Hello.
Where you at?
I'm in Palmdale.
I cannot understand or even hear what they are saying on this audio clip. There's lots of static on the recording.

So I snatched the iPhone.

So I'm like...
I believe they're talking about the phone store and the subsequent arrest.
They searched all over...

When I go to get my property....

They said that the phone you sold him was hot....
I later hear,
Somebody got shot.
There's more talk about the surveillance on the building. I think they're referring to the phone store.
Remember the day I left, he also had his shirt off.
The recording ends. 

DB: Detective Carreon, you recognize the voices of Bryan Barnes and Javier Bolden on that recording we just heard?
VC: Yes.


The witness gives the dates and addresses for where the defendants were arrested.  A search warrant was conducted on the residence where Barnes was arrested on 91st Street.  Detective Carreon testifies a cell phone was recovered at that location.  Ms. Brazil introduces the next item, People's 24, a photo of a cell phone and an envelope.  It's a black, HTC phone.  The detective who recovered the phone in the search told Detective Carrion he recovered it inside a bedroom inside a drawer.  People's 25 is a photo of the back of the cell phone. It's the same HTC phone, a close up.

DB: Have you seen this item in person?
VC: Yes.
DB: What color is it?
VC: Black.

The detective adds that he thinks it's also gray.  Another photo, People's 26 a photo of the back of the HTC phone with the cover removed and the battery.

DB: Detective Carreon, as part of your investigation, did you ask Detective Sean Hansen to research the owner of (the HTC phone)? ... What did Detective Hansen tell you of this, ... the gray HTC cell phone?
Defense: Objection. Foundation.
JM: Lay foundation.

Judge Marcus hears another question and then reverses himself. "Objection is over ruled. I remember now so objection is over ruled."

DB: Do you know Detective Sean Hansen?

Detective Carreon has known Detective Hansen over 10 years. He's also a detective and a colleague at the LAPD.  Detective Carreon spoke to Detective Sean Hansen regarding his education, experience and training regarding cell phones.  He is the department's expert and he's also trained by the FBI.  Detective Carreon has seen Detective Hansen testify in court.

DB: Is there a significant amount of cell phone evidence related to this offense?
VC: Yes.
DB: Who was responsible for the bulk of that investigation?
VC: Detective Hansen.
DB: Did Detective Hansen tell you whether or not he examined this exhibit previously marked People's 24, the black and gray HTC recovered from Bryan Barnes residence?
VC: Yes.
MD: Objection. Being Mr. Barnes residence.

I miss the ruling.

DB: The location where Bryan Barnes was arrested (address). Was that Latiana Collins' residence?
VC: Correct.
DB: She testified and also told you that he was staying with her?
VC: Yes.
JM: I don't need any more foundation.

Detective Hansen told Detective Carreon that the cell phone recovered from Collins' residence when Barnes was arrested on May 18th, actually belonged to victim Mr. Qu.

The afternoon break is called.  The gallery empties out.  Barnes defense attorney has a friendly chat with DDA Akemon and DDA Brazil.  Andrew Goldman goes back to speak to someone in the gallery, a pretty woman in a print dress and a black jacket.  The prosecution's law clerks are introduced to Ms. Seng.  Judge Marcus comes out from his chambers and announces to the room, smiling, "We still have four minutes."  Jokingly, counsel ask the judge to go back to his chambers.  Judge Marcus leaves and then comes back out and pours a few glasses of water.  Detective Carreon takes one.  DDA Akemon and Sztraicher chat.  The break ends. 

DDA Akemon tells the court, "We have a witness named Timothy Hall who will be a witness tomorrow.  He was arrested for a robbery." There is a question as to whether or not Mr. Hall needs use immunity.  Judge Marcus asks who is representing Hall on the robbery.  DDA Akemon tells the court that the robbery case is a DA's office reject.  Andrew Goldman, Bolden's attorney tells Judge Marcus, "What I'm reading is, that it's been referred back to the detectives for further investigation to determine the three individuals in the robbery." September 13th, it was referred back.

I believe it's Judge Marcus who states that he thinks the court needs to appoint him a lawyer.  He will get the advice of counsel and he gets the choice (to testify) or exercise his fifth amendment rights. Then you would have to get him immunity if he wanted to testify.  Judge Marcus indicated he wanted to mention this because he had this come up in another hearing regarding selective use of the fifth amendment.  Judge Marcus asks that the witness be brought up.  Ms. D'Onofrio states he can't be brought in because the defendants are in the courtroom.

Judge Marcus checks with his clerk about calling for an attorney for Mr. Hall.  The clerk tells Judge Marcus that they will send someone shortly.  There are a few arguments among counsel about the cell phone recovered in Barnes' possession actually being linked to victim Mr. Qu.  Judge Marcus asks the prosecution, "Can you connect this phone up to the victim?"  Ms. Brazil responds, "Yes, I'm attempting to do that."  Detective Carreon testifies that a black and gray HTC cell phone was collected and entered into evidence as evidence item number 96.

DB: Once that cell phone that was recovered from the location where Barnes was arrested, did you have a conversation with Detective Hansen about that phone?
VC: (Yes.)
DB: Where did that conversation take place?
VC: At 77th Station.
DB: Did you have it in your possession, the cell phone...
VC: Yes.
DB: Did Detective Hansen make an identification of the number to the back of the cell phone? ...

An exhibit is put up on the screen.

DB: Do you recognize this to be the back of the cell phone that Detective Hansen examined in your presence?
VC: Yes.
DB: What did he tell you in respect to the HTC cell ... in relation to the victims that were shot?

I believe there is an objection but I missed getting who made it.

VC: He told me that the IMEI number matched the cell phone record of Mr. Qu's phone.
MD: I think it's multiple hearsay. ... I believe we are dealing with multiple hearsay.

(Unknown) I see it as an issue which, he's speaking to a person as a police officer, whose also an expert witness, who gives his opinion as to who the cell phone belongs to.

Ms. Seng makes an objection.
JM: What can be more accurate than that, as to the number on the phone?

Judge Marcus continues as to why he thinks this is enough foundation for prelim purposes. Mr. Goldman states that he thinks at this point, Ms. Brazil is going into an area related to non-counts one and two, but as to counts four (and five?). That Ms. Brazil is going to seek to solicit from Detective Carreon information taken from the wire tap of Mr. Javier Bolden's phone, short excerpts but not play the tape.  Goldman states that he read the excerpts. His objection is to the first excerpt.  Goldman states he believes it is irrelevant. Goldman asks that perhaps the court needs to look at the transcript.  Goldman continues that, if he knows what he's talking about, he believes it's about a party at 74th and Western, that may or may not have happened. Goldman then mentions the second excerpt, and that it's related to a shooting at a party. Another conversation is with an unknown male, who talks about a shooting at 51st and Western.  Goldman states that he believes for these purposes it would be hearsay. The unknown speaker is just relating what's on the tape.

JM: Let me here what (is) the offer of proof. ... My copy of the complaint has nothing; ... doesn't have anything related to Bolden in count four. 
DB: There is an amended complaint your honor.

DDA Brazil states she's seeking to introduce evidence of two intercepted telephone calls that Detective Carreon listened to and he recognizes Javier Bolden's voice, and the target line is Javier's line.  The calls are on May 15th.  Brazil goes onto explain Carreon intercepted calls on Javier's line. Javier's voice is talking to an unknown female. Carreon would testify that a female asks if Javier was at the party. He replies, "The last time I partied on Western I had to kill somebody." That would be the extent that Detective Carreon would testify to.

Judge Marcus asks if there is a link to anything that happened.  Brazil tells the court the testimony is linked to shootings that occurred on Western.  She adds that the witnesses will be testifying to a shooting that occurred on Western and they will identify Bolden as the shooter. I believe it's Andrew Goldman who adds that if it's read by itself, you have to go onto the entirety of the conversation.  Goldman thinks it more about the entirety of the conversation.

Ms. Brazil states she has no problem introducing the entirety of the conversation. She adds that this is a prelim, not a trial and they are seeking to introduce relevant information.  Judge Marcus states, "Let me look at the conversation for a minute."

Judge Marcus rules he's going to allow it. That particular small portion there, he's admitting to some individual of a shooting on Western, and they are going to put on witnesses who were shot at. Goldman points out another spot in the transcript that he's marked.  Ms. Brazil asks if the court wants an offer of proof for the second part. It's an unidentified caller that's making the statement. And there are "uh-ums" It's not Mr. Bolden speaking. Judge Marcus asks if one of the shootings took place at 51st and Western.  Brazil says yes, and asks the court if the court wants an offer of proof. I believe Judge Marcus comments that he's (Bolden) not saying it and that he's not making any denial or what that is about.

Ms. Brazil continues. What she's seeking to illicit from Detective Carreon is an unknown male told Bolden that they knew about the shooting and it's about No Respect.  Bragging, "I don't even talk about that shit. That shit old." The unknown male said, he's just letting him know.

Judge Marcus states, "If someone told you someone has accused you, and people are looking for a shooting, and he doesn't say, 'No, that's not me,' I believe that has relevance for prelim.  Regarding the other issue, the court will make it clear at all times if the court found an issue more prejudiced than probative, the court will announce that. The audio tapes come into the prelim over defense objections.

DB: Did you review a wire tap recording that (happened?) on May 15th, 2012?

Brazil reads the track recording number.

DB: Did you listen to that audio recording?
(Unknown) Objection. Foundation.
JM: Over ruled.
DB: Did you listen to the recording prior to testifying?
VC: Yes.
DB: Whose voice did you recognize?
VC: Javier Bolden.
(Unknown) Objection!
JM: Over ruled!
DB: Was he speaking to a male or female voice?
VC: Female.
DB: Did you recognize the (female?) voice?
VC: No.
DB: What, if anything, in the beginning of the conversation did the female say to Javier Bolden during that call?
VC: She was talking about a party.
DB: What did she say about the party?
VC: She asked if he was there.
DB: What, if anything, did he say in response?
VC: He doesn't party on Western. ... She asked him why.
DB: What did he reply?
VC: He said that the last time he partied on Western he had to kill somebody.
DB: And the conversation was longer than just that point?
VC: Correct.
DB: But a short conversation total?
VC: Correct.

DB: Did you listen to the second conversation? ... Did that recording also occur on target line 1?
VC: Yes.
DB: Was the date May 15th, 2012?
VC: Yes.
DB: Was that recorded on track number ..... ?
VC: Yes.
DB: Did you listen to that second recording?
VC: Yes I did.
DB: Did you recognize a voice?
VC: Yes.
DB: Whose voice?
VC: Javier Bolden.
DB: Did you recognize the voice speaking to him?
VC: No. ... It was a male.
DB: During the call, did he discuss any shooting? ... What did the unknown man say?
(Unknown) Objection!
JM: Over ruled!
VC: He said that they had found out about the shooting at 51st and Western.
DB: Did the unknown male say anything about a party crew you recognized?
VC: He said that No Respect was involved.
DB: Did the unknown male say anything else to Javier Bolden regarding the shooting at 51st and Western?
VC: He said...
(Unknown) Continuing objection.
VC: He said that they knew it was him and that they were looking for him.
DB: The unknown man tells him, "They know who you are and they are looking for you?"
VC: Yes.
DB: What else?
VC: They said that they heard that he was bragging about it.
DB: What did he say in response to the unknown male?
VC: He said, "Who am I bragging to whom? I didn't brag about that."
DB: Would it refresh your memory to look at a transcript of the call?
VC: Yes.

Detective Carreon reads a section of transcript of the wire tapped phone call.

DB: What did you hear Javier Bolden say to the unknown male?
VC: "Bragging? Bragging to who? I don't even talk bout that shit any more. I don't talk about that shit. That shit old."
DB: What did the unknown male say at that point?
VC: The unknown male said, "I'm just letting you know."

Direct is finished and cross begins with Ms. D'Onofrio.

MD: With respect to the surveillance that was being conducted at the location where Mr. Barnes was detained, were you present at that location?
VC: No.
MD: So everything you heard, was given to you by others, persons that were there?
VC: Yes.
MD: Was that in real time?
VC: Yes.
MD: Where were you when you were receiving that information?
VC: I was at 77th Station.
MD: Mr. Barnes was arrested on May 14th on some type of failure to pay a ticket?
VC: It was some type of warrant.
MD: When he came on May 15th to retrieve property at that point, was Mr. Barnes a person of interest in the homicide case?
VC: Yes.
MD: In fact, he was under surveillance?
VC: Correct.
MD: You believed that he was involved in that homicide?
VC: Yes.

MD: Did you advise Mr. Barnes of his rights?
VC: No.

MD: You're certain that it was the white iPhone that was authorized for the wire tap?
VC: Yes.
MD: With respect to the item, the black and gray iPhone in People's 24 through 26 that you saw, were you present when that item was recovered?

(DB?) Objection! Misstates testimony.
MD: The HTC phone, from (address) West 91st Street? Detective, Carrion, were you present?
VC: No.
MD: It was recovered within a bedroom drawer?
VC: I don't know where it was. He just indicated it was in a bedroom drawer. (Another detective told him.)

Ms. D'Onofrio is finished and Mr. Goldman crosses the witness.

AG: Turing your attention to the telephone conversation that you were testifying to ... on direct examination. When was the first time you listened to that conversation? When was the first time you listened to that conversation?
VC: Right around the time it happened.
AG: What was the most recent time you listened to it?
VC: This morning.
AG: Turning your attention to the conversation where you say you identified Mr. Bolden's voice speaking to an unidentified female, that was the first conversation, correct?
VC: Correct.
AG: And in that conversation, Mr. Bolden mentioned that he doesn't party on Western anymore?
VC: Correct.
AG: And this conversation took place on May (15th?), correct?
VC: Correct.
AG: Also in that conversation with the unidentified female, there's a reference to a party for his brother, his brother BJ. Did you listen to that part of the conversation?
VC: Yes.
AG: In the course of your investigation, did it come to your attention that Mr. Barnes goes by the designation BJ, and they referred to each other as brothers?

Detective Carreon confirms.

AG: In the course of this investigation, did you find out any (investigation?) for a party for Mr. Barnes, for his party?
(Unknown) Objection! Relevant.

Goldman argues his position, regarding how the prosecution is presenting the conversation that Javier allegedly had. The court responds, "For what it's worth, although evidence may be admissible, the weight it may be given..."  I believe Judge Marcus sustains the objection.

AG: If you know, was there a party for Mr. Barnes on Western?
VC: I don't know sir. I don't remember a party.
AG: In the course of the investigation, was anybody  (relaying?) to these individuals, was anyone killed on Western?
VC: Killed? No.
AG: In turning your attention to the second conversation you listened to, ... when was the first time you listened to that conversation?
VC: Also around the time it occurred.
AG: When was the last time?
VC: This morning.
AG: In this conversation, an unidentified male talks about a shooting on 51st and Western, when speaking to a person that you believe that was Mr. Bolden?

I believe Goldman reads from the transcript with the following statements.
They know it was us, it was from No Respect.
He said, They know who you are.
They're looking for anybody, that wears the No Respect shirt.
I'm confused. I don't believe I'm getting what Goldman is reading correctly.

AG: Then later in the conversation, the caller talks about someone named (Donte?) not being around any more.
DB: Page number?
AG: 78. .. Because it's like, ... really looking for them and all that, No Respect, and people looking for No Respect.
VC: Yes.
AG: And this is when the caller then says, "You were bragging about shooting old (by?), I don't know." And the person who you identified ... "Bragging. Bragging to who, I don't even talk about that shit."
DB: Objection! Incomplete statement.
AG: Okay, I'll repeat. "Bragging. Bragging to who? I don't even talk about that shit. That shit old." Correct Detective?

I miss the answer.

The attorney arrives to represent Mr. Hall for the fifth amendment issue. I've seen this counsel before.  He was one of a group of attorneys that were representing several defendants in a hearing in Judge Ohta's courtroom, on September 27th, when I was there for a hearing in the Gargiulo case.

I believe Judge Marcus states, "Your representing this witness."  Goldman states he has nothing further.  Ms. D'Onofrio wants to recross and ask another question.

MD: Detective Carreon, do you know whether or not Mr. Bolden's foster father has son by the name of BJ?
(DB?) Objection! Not relevant.
JM: Based on cross by Mr. Goldman where he references a birthday party for BJ, I'll allow it.
VC: I don't remember that, No mam.

Ms. Brazil has no more questions.

I believe Ms. D'Onofrio is asking that the defendants be taken out of the courtroom when Hall is brought in regarding whether he will ask for an attorney, take the fifth, or testify.

JM: Normally, they would be permitted ... by the witness here by you don't want them here because of identification issue?
MD: Correct.

Judge Marcus want to get a waiver from both defendants to be excluded, that it might affect the witness if he gets to see them. "While you're here, do you agree not to be present while we discuss witness and fifth amendment rights?"  Goldman asks the court to reopen cross of the detective. He asks, "I forgot to ask the detective something about the tape, so can he retake the stand before we get to this?"  The court responds, "I'll let you reopen tomorrow.  The defendants agree to the waiver, not to be present in the courtroom. The court instructs, "Okay, you can take them out."

Judge Marcus asks the prosecution to get the witness.  Mr. Hall is a slender young black man. He's dressed in black. The court addresses Hall. "Mr. Hall, Good afternoon. I have a lawyer...."  The counsel identifies himself for the record. "Robin Yates."

JM: Did you have a chance to talk to him Mr. Hall?
AH: Yes sir.
RY: He's going to assert his fifth amendment rights. ...

The parties discuss the problem. There is a pending robbery case out there that Hall could incriminate himself if he answers questions.  If Hall is asked about that on cross, he feels it could incriminate him. DDA Akemon tells the court the prosecution would offer Hall use immunity. Akemon presents to the court a document.

DA: This is a signed copy for the court and a signed copy for the attorney for Mr. Hall.
JM: Mr. Hall, they apparently are going to offer you immunity. ... Did your lawyer explain to you, anything you say here cannot be used, to be used against you against that (impossible?) robbery charge. 

I don't get the next sentence completely. I believe Judge Marcus added, "It also can force you to testify."

JM: The thing you got to think about, that you have to keep in mind that you could be charged with perjury. ... I will sign the order granting immunity.

Hall evidently took the use immunity deal to testify and he is ordered back at 9:00 AM tomorrow morning.  Judge Marcus addresses Mr. Goldman, "Let's do the thing that you didn't do with the detective and then we would be done for the day."  There is a discussion about ordering back the other witnesses.

JM: Let the record reflect that Mr. Hall signed that in the presence of the court. ... You understand the court order, and you accept it?
AH: Yes sir.

Three witnesses who have been waiting most of the day are brought into the courtroom. The court orders back the witnesses for specific days and time.  Judge Marcus then asks that the defendants be brought back so they can say this on the record.  The attorney for Mr. Hall is ordered back tomorrow for 10:45 AM. For the record, Judge Marcus states that the defense had indicated that they were going to call back the previous witness but then decided they were done, subject to recall.  Judge Marcus orders everyone back at 9:00 AM tomorrow.

And that's it for the second day of the preliminary hearing.

Continued on Barnes & Bolden Prelim, Day 3.....

Bryan Barnes & Javier Bolden Prelim Day 3, Part II, USC Chinese Grad Students Murers, Ming Qu, & Ying Wu

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Wednesday, October 2nd, 2013
I somehow accidentally deleted all my morning notes before court went on the record. DDA Akemon presents the next witness.

5. BRADLEY NIELSON.
LAPD patrol officer with 11 years on the force. He was working the 77th Street area. He now works downtown at OAS.  He works counter-terrorism now. (I believe I have an error in my notes. I have that DDA Akemon asked about the date, April 11th, yet, Officer Nielson responded to a radio call on December 3rd, 2011. Sprocket.)

DA: Did you receive a call?
BN: Yes sir.
DA: Were you alone or with a partner that morning?
BN: With Officer Martin (sp?). He was driving.
DA: What did you do?
BN: Responded to the location and radio call.

Nielson states that the area is mostly commercial structures, barber shops and local businesses. People's exhibit #27, an overhead photo of a street. It's Western Avenue with 89th Street to the north and 91st Street to the south.  With a laser, the witness describes the streets and points them out. Near the corner of 89th and Western, there is a grocery, Superior Market on the northwest corner. Traveling north, that's toward downtown.  South on Western is the Compton area.   The address 8927 S. Western Avenue would be about mid-block. The witness points to the location on the exhibit.

DA: It's on the west side of the street?
BN: Correct sir.
DA: When you arrived at the location, what was the first thing you noticed, if anything?
BN: It looked like a large party had broken up. There were numerous people on the sidewalk. We were directed to a person that was on the sidewalk who had been shot.

New photo, People's exhibit #28, a street view. Nielson explains the photo and points to a business in the middle of the block on the left side of the photo.

BN: This is a photo looking northbound up Western Avenue just south of the location.

DA: When you first arrived, where was the person who was shot?
BN: He was seated in the doorway of 8927 Western.

New photo, Peoples' exhibit #29, a photo of a rolling office chair.

BN: When we first arrived, Mr. Hall was seated in that chair.
DA: Did you look... withdraw. The person in that chair, did you later identify that person as Mr. Timothy Hall? ...
BN: (Yes sir.)
DA: Did you see any injuries on his body?
BN: It immediately captured my attention. ... It appeared he had a gunshot wound (GSW) to his head and to his abdomen.
DA: Was he transported to a hospital?
BN: Yes sir. ... There was bullet casings and some expended bullets that were in the vicinity of the sidewalk at 8927.

New photo, People's exhibit #30, car on the street. It's a photo of the street in front of 8927 and a Ford Expedition parked out in front.

DA: Was the vehicle in front of Mr. Hall, seated outside?
BN: It was very close to it sir.

There were some 9 mm casings and some expended bullets just beside the area. New photo, People's exhibit #31, with red circles already on the photo. It's the same photo as before with the added red circles.

DA: What is in those red circles?
BN: Expended casings and expended bullets.
DA: Did you recover and book into evidence those casings?
BN: Thirteen cases were recovered. ... There were nine, 9 millimeter casings and there were ... the 9 millimeter were in the southbound street. And the 40 millimeter casing were at the entrance way of the door to 8927 S. Western.

Detective Carreon arrives and takes a seat in the well. 40 millimeter casings were directly in the doorway of the business at 8927 S. Western.

Another photo (People's #32?). I can see the placards on the ground near the chair. The witness explains:

BN: Those are "FI" cards placed over the cartridge casings on the sidewalk of S. Western Avenue.

Nielson took the casings into evidence and booked them into evidence all under the same DR number (DR 11 12-27926). The 9 millimeter casings were booked into evidence as item number 1.  40 millimeter casings as item number 2.

Direct is finished and defense attorney Gustavo Sztriacher gets up to cross the witness on behalf of defendant Bryan Barnes.

GS: Good morning officer Nielson.
BN: Good morning.
GS: You prepared a police report in this matter?
BN: Yes sir.
GS: Does it accurately document the investigation?
BN: Yes sir.
GS: Did you review the report to this day? ... Would you like to make any corrections to that report before we proceed?
BN: No sir.

Nielson was one of the first patrol officers to arrive. He was in a black and white. He and his partner secured the scene. He took the photos that they saw and he personally recovered items that were just shown.  He searched the areas for possible evidence.

GS: How many officers responded to that location when you were there?
BN: I'd say, maybe fifteen or twenty, sir.
GS: How long did that investigation take before you packed up and left?
BN: Hour; hour and a half.
GS: Did any other officer search for evidence?
BN: Like get evidence and hand it to me sir? .. No sir.
GS: You find nine shell casings that were 9 millimeter. Where those Remington?
BN: I believe they were just R-P sir.
GS: Those were found in the street by the Ford Exposition?
BN: Yes sir.
GS: You also found four, 40 caliber. Those were Smith & Wesson shell casings?
BN: I believe they're marked S&W.

They were found by the front door.

BN: Recovered ... not sure if lead projectile or copper jacket. They were, one by the chair and two others were in the vicinity of the gray Expedition.
GS: Did anyone tell you how many guns that were involved that night?
BN: The information we got was that there were two different people that fired guns that night.
GS: When you arrived, Mr. Hall was sitting in a chair outside the business?
BN: Yes.

Nielson interviewed Mr. Hall.

GS: At first he said he was shot by someone that was unknown to him?
BN: Yes sir.

GS: He told you that he didn't know he knew the shooter? ... He did not tell you he did not know the shooter's mother? ... He did not know the shooter's sister?

DA: Objection! This is beyond the scope. (miss ruling)
GS; Mr. Hall never told you that he knew Javier Bolden?
BN: No sir.
GS: Did Mr. Hall ever tell you that he had partied (with?) Mr. Barnes (previously?)?
BN: No sir.
GS: Did Mr. Hall ever tell you he had partied with Mr. Bolden?
BN: No sir.
GS: At some point in time, LAFD rescue ambulance arrived?
BN: Yes sir.
GS: And they transported Mr. Hall to the hospital?
BN: That's correct.

Bryan Barnes' mother arrives and takes a seat in the gallery.  She sits in the second bench row, far to the left.

I believe Mr. Sztraicher tells the court that there's a line of questioning he intends to ask Mr. Nielson regarding interviews conducted by other officers that went to the hospital with Mr. Hall.  However, given this officer's status, Sztraicher tells the court he believes it will be inconsistent to testimony that will be elicited later that is inconsistent. And from officer to Mr. Nelson and come in under Prop 115.

JM: Do the People have anything to say?
DA: It's definitely hearsay.
JM: The first one would be an inconsistent statement. I have to take that on faith; I haven't heard Mr. Hall testify yet.  Assume that's correct, then the second (proffer? proof?), the actual ... what he told him, that would, would be under Prop. 115.  It appears to meet all exceptions to the hearsay law. I think  you're sort of agreeing, so you may continue. (Akemon agrees.)

GS: Officer Nielson, did you speak with officer (Hyre?) and or (Digangi?) prior to your police report?

I believe Judge Marcus states the court reporter needs the spelling of the names. Chairez; Digangi. (I believe I have those spellings correct. Sprocket.)

GS: Officer, did you have an opportunity to speak to Chairez and or Digangdi prior to preparing your police report? ... Did they inform you of their interview with Mr. Hall? ... Did they tell you they went to the hospital and interview Mr. Hall? ... Did they tell you that Mr. Hall tol them that he did not know the suspect who shot him?
BN: Correct.
JM: I have to interject. It's not a big deal to me. We're not going to ... who told ... who actually said what.

GS: Who is it you spoke to regarding the interview?
BN: Officer Chairez.
GS: Officer Chairez told you of the substance of that interview? ... Mr. Chairez told you that he did not know the suspect who shot hm? ... Officer Chairez told you that Hall had no other information about the person who shot him? ... Is that correct?
BN: Correct.
GS: Officer Chairez never told you that Hall told him that he knew the shooter's family?
BN: That's correct, sir.
GS: Officer Chairez told you that Hall never said he knew the shooter's mother? ... Officer Chairez told you that Hall never said he knew the shooter's sister? ... Officer Chairez never indicated Hall knew Javier Bolden in any way?
BN: That's correct sir.
GS: Officer Chairez, he did not, ... never indicated that Hall said that he had ever partied with Mr. Barnes? ... And during your conversation with Officer Chairez, he never indicated that Hall ever indicated that Hall ever partied with Mr. Bolden? (miss answers)

Mr. Sztraicher continues.

GS: The following I'm going to ask Officer Nielson regarding an interview conducted with a witness who has not testified yet. May I attend to extract statements prior to..
JM: Who is that, this witness?
GS: Ms. ABC. (This witness has contacted me and requested her name be removed from T&T. I have chosen to honor that request. Sprocket.)

JM: And your thinking that the statements may be inconsistent? Others are offered pursuant to Prop 115.  ... Problem is, you don't get to offer it if the witness doesn't testify. So I need a better explanation. If she isn't going to testify.
GS: I can limit my examination to those items that will be inconsistent with testimony.

Judge Marcus makes notes that if there's a problem, he will strike the testimony an it will not be part of the prelim.

GS: Were you present when Ms. ABC was interviewed on December 3rd, 2011?
BN: Yes sir. ... I spoke with Ms. ABC, sir.
GS: Ms. ABC, did you refer to her as Ms. ABC-D?
BN: That's how she identified herself to me.
GS: She indicated she was present at the party?
BN: Yes sir.

Judge Marcus asks to check the date of December 3rd, to ensure he has the right date.  Someone answers, "You did, your honor."

GS: She indicated to you that, um, by way of foundation, that she was inside the party?
BN: That's correct. ... She said that a fight broke out inside the party?
GS: More than one person was fighting inside the party?
BN: That's correct.

GS: She indicated to you that she had gone out from the outside the party for reasons altogether different  from the fight?
BN: I don't recall her telling me why she left the party.
GS: She was outside when the shooting occurred, is that correct?
BN: Yes sir.
GS: She told you that it looked as though the shooter and the person who was shot appeared to be about to engage in a fight?
BN: Yes sir.
GS: And she told you, Ms. ABC told you that, the suspect walked to a red Camaro, is that correct?
BN: Yes sir.
GS: The person walked to a red Camaro prior to any shooting occurred?
BN: Yes sir.
GS: After it appeared, the suspect and the person who was shot, appeared to engage in a fight and then, and only then did the shooter walk to a red Camaro?
BN: Yes sir.
GS: Ms. ABC told you she couldn't tell you what type of gun it was?
BN: Correct sir.

GS: She told ... Ms. ABC told you subsequently, she saw some shooting?
BN: Yes sir.
GS: When you interviewed Ms. ABC, she never told you the name of the shooter?
BN: That's correct sir.
GS: She didn't tell you ... told you she had ever been contacted by the shooter prior to December 3rd, 2011?
BN: That's correct sir.
GS: Ms. ABC never told you that she had been in Facebook contact with the shooter prior to December 3rd, 2011?
BN: That's correct sir.
GS: Ms. ABC never told you that she'd ever received a text message from the shooter prior to December 3rd, 2011?
BN: That's correct sir.
GS: Ms. ABC never told you she ever had contact with the shooter prior to December 3rd, 2011?
BN: That's correct.
GS: Officer Nielson, Ms. ABC provided a description of the shooter to you?
BN: That's correct sir.
GS: She told you the shooter was a male, black?
BN: Correct.
GS: The shooter's height was five feet, five inches?
BN: That's correct.
GS: Ms. ABC told you he was approximately 16 to 18 years old?
BN: That's correct.
GS: Ms. ABC told you he was wearing a gray hooded sweater?
BN: Correct, sir.
GS: He was wearing long dark pants?
BN: Yes sir.
GS: She told you she could provide no further information regarding the shooter?
BN: That's correct sir.
GS: And sir, Ms. ABC told you she observed, she observed a second shooting from the doorway?
BN: Yes sir.

Mr. Sztraicher pauses then tells the court, "No more questions."  Ms. Jana Seng gets up to cross the witness on behalf of Javier Bolden.

JS: Following off on Officer Nielson ... Ms. ABC told you that she did not know the man who was firing from the doorway?
BN: That's correct, mam.
JS: The only thing was, it was a male, no other description?
BN: Correct mam.
JS: Ms. ABC also told you that or she made it clear to you that there were two shooters involved?
BN: Correct mam.
JS: She never indicated that there was a third shooter? ... She never indicated that, she only mentioned two? ... She never mentioned the name Javier Bolden?
BN: Correct mam.
JS: She never indicated ... she saw anyone shooting from a red Camaro?
BN: That's correct mam.
JS: she told you that the red Camaro was parked directly behind the SUV, is that correct?
BN: I'm not sure about directly behind. It was in the vicinity of that.
JM: Vicinity of what?
BN: I'm sorry, sir. Your honor, it was in the vicinity of the rear of the Expedition.

JS: I want to redirect you to People's 30. ... Is that a photo of the SUV?

Ms. Seng approaches the witness with the actual photo. DDA Akemon gets up to stand by his witness to observe everything Ms. Seng shows the witness.

BN: Yes mam.
JS: Can you tell me where the doorway of 8927 S. Western Avenue is?
BN: I believe it is the doorway by the left side of the scene.

The witness identifies where the door is in the photo in relation to the SUV.

JS: The doorway appears to have light coming out of the window is that correct?
BN: Yes mam.

DDA Akemon returns to the prosecution table.

JS: Officer Nielson, what time did you arrive to the location of 8927 S. Western?
BN: Approximately 0030 hours.
JS: Can you tell me how much time it took you to arrive at that location after receiving the regular call?
BN: I'm not sure mam.
JS: Can you give an estimate for the time you received the radio call to the time you arrived? ... Was it within minutes?
BN: Yes mam.
JS: So it was very quick?
BN: I believe so.

There is a question about where the yellow crime scene tape was placed, and what areas were closed off.

BN: I don't know if we closed all of Western, or if we closed just the south bound lane.
JS: But you did close some of Western?
BN: Yes mam.
JS: You said that you observed on ... several casings directly in front of the doorway of 8927 S. Western, is that correct?
BN: Yes mam.
JS: And where those 40 caliber casings you observed?
BN: Yes mam.
JS: And you observed one expended bullet as well on the sidewalk?
BN: Yes mam.  There was one expended bullet from where the 40 caliber casings were.
JS: And the casings you observed were in the vicinity of the SUV Expedition, previously shown in People's 30?
BN: Yes mam.

JS: It was ... you indicated it was a 9 millimeter casing on the ground in addition to spent bullets as well? .. And that those were discovered to the rear of the SUV, the back of the SUV?
BN: To the rear and to the side.
JS: Not in the front of the SUV?
BN: I don't believe so, mam.
JS: Not to the right of the SUV?
BN: I don't believe so, mam.

JS: Did you find bullet casings that a (third?) gun had been involved in the shooting?
DA: Objection! Speculation. (miss ruling)
JS: You didn't find any other casings other than the 9 millimeter and the 40 millimeter? ... You didn't find any other type, other than those two types?
BN: That's correct.
JS: You didn't find any other casings towards the north area of Western Ave?

This would be 89th Street.

BN: No mam.
JS: All the casings you observed on the scene that night you had secured by placing your FI cards over them?
BN: Yes mam.
SJ: You did not notice or did not see any strike marks in the SUV did you?
BN: I don't remember if the SUV had strike marks or not.
SJ: You did not see it?
BN: I don't recall, mam.
SJ: That would have been something that you had noted if had seen bullet holes?
BN: I'm not sure mam.
JS: That (?) would be relevant to (?) shooting if there was a bullet strike on the car?
BN: I'm not sure mam.
JS: Would you consider that to be evidence of a shooting?
BN: I think the evidence of the shooting is the cartridge casings and the bullets.

JS: I'm not asking about (?) I'm asking about strike marks. You were trained at the academy?
BN: Yes mam.
JS: You were trained to collect evidence in (investigations?) ... ?

Another question about what he didn't find. I stop taking notes for a bit. My fingers are tired.

JM: He hasn't indicated if he looked at the truck to see strike marks. Did you?
BN: I don't recall sir.
JS: In those photographs you took, it shows the Expedition, is that right?
BN: Yes mam.
JS: In your report, you didn't note any strike marks in the Expedition?
BN: That's correct.
JS: You didn't notice any strike marks on buildings?
BN: That's correct.
JS: Thank you. Nothing further.

DDA Akemon redirects his witness.

Akemon directs his witness to People's 27, the aerial photograph.  It's a Google® map photo. Officer Nielson did not take that photograph. People's 28 is a Google® map street view photo, that Officer Nielson did not take either.

DA: When you interviewed Mr. Hall, where did that take place?
BN: I spoke to him while he was seated in the chair.
DA: What was his condition?
BN: His medical ... ?
DA: Lets start with that.
BN: His medical condition was poor. He was kind of laid back, semi conscious. Not talking and just looked like he was in a lot of pain.
(Unknown) Objection! Motion to strike, "He was semi conscious," Lack of foundation.
JM: I'll allow it. ... It goes to weight.
DA: Did you ask Mr. Hall who shot him? ... How did he respond to that?
BN: I don't remember if he verbally said, or if he shook his head.
DA: What was his level of cooperation?
(Unknown) Objection!
JM: Sustained.

DA: Was he doing back springs?
(Unknown) Objection!
JM: Sustained.
DA: How long have you been assigned to 77th?
BN: Ten years.
DA: How many shootings? ... you've been involved in ... those shootings?
BN: A lot sir.
DA: What is the level of cooperation of shooting victims?
(Unknown) Objection!
JM: Sustained.
DA: Were there other people present when you interviewed Mr. Hall?
BN: There were people who were trying to administer aid to him ... apply pressure ... two or three.
DA: How long was the interview?
BN: It was brief.

DA: Where did the interview with Ms. ABC take place?
BN: She was waiting next to a vehicle, a police vehicle ... Her interview was brief. ... I think she had a friend that was with her.

There are more questions about what Ms. ABC said about the red Camaro, or whether her friend could hear her interview conversation.  Redirect ends and Mr. Sztraicher gets up to recross.

GS:Was Ms. ABC ... appear to be intoxicated?
BN: I don't remember if she appeared to be intoxicated.
GS: Did Mr. Hall appear to be intoxicated?
BN: I could not tell.
GS: Did she tell you the color of hair of the shooter?
BN: No sir.
GS: How many people would you estimate were outside of the shooting when you arrived?
BN: Um, outside? I'd say probably 25 to 50 sir.
GS: Would you describe the lighting conditions when you arrive?
BN: It was dark sir.
GS: How close was a street lamp to 8927 ... ?
BN: I don't know sir.

My notes are not clear, but I believe Ms. Seng performs the following recross.

JS: During your time at the crime scene, did you receive information to look out for two suspects  in a (?)... ?
BN: I'm not sure mam.
JS: Would looking at an instant recall report assist your recollection?
BN: Yes mam.

A document is handed to the witness. Judge Marcus instructs the witness that he doesn't want him to read the document into the record. He explains the purpose of reading the document back is only to refresh his memory.  "Does that make sense?" Judge Marcus asks the witness, who replies, "Yes, your honor."  DDA Akemon reads the document presented to his witness.

JS: Does that instant recall report refresh your memory?
BN: Yes mam.
JS: do you recall the (?) case that there was two suspects?
DA: Objection! Hearsay.
(JS?) Goes to state of mind.
JM: It doesn't go to the truth of the matter. The only way it goes in is to help explain what he may have done. ... If you're not using for that purpose then it's wasting the courts time.

JS: One of the descriptions was an individual (?) ... Want to ask him if he asked for an individual ...

There is some argument among the parties as to what Ms. Seng can ask.  Judge Marcus muses, "But if you didn't look for anybody..."

JM: Did you go look for anybody?
BN: No, your honor.
JM: At the scene, were you looking for any suspects?
BN: At the scene, we have to be careful of anyone trying to shoot us.
JM: I'm going to change my ruling. I'm going to sustain the objection.

JS: Where were you when you interviewed Ms. ABC?
BN: I'm not certain, but I believe we were in the street by a police vehicle.
JS: Was it by her vehicle?
BN: I'm not sure mam.
JS: Did she indicate where her vehicle was?
BN: I'm not sure.  ... I can't remember where Ms. ABC's vehicle was.
JS: Nothing further.

JM: Any further redirect? ... Is there anything you can tell me about the demeanor of Ms. ABC when you were interviewing her? Was she hysterical or calm?
BN: She was calm. She was pretty manner of fact about what she was telling me.
JM: May witness be excused?  ... Is it detective?
BN: It's Officer.

Andrew Goldman asks for a break.  There is another reporter I don't recognize on their laptop and the young reporter with the Times is to my left.

JM: Who is our next witness?
DA: Timothy Hall.

The witness, a young black man, is wearing a white shirt, black pants and what might be diamond looking earrings in both ears. He has very close cropped hair.  There is a discussion as to whether or not the court appointed counsel needs to be here or not.  I'm not sure if my next note is correct. I have Judge Marcus saying, There could be a possibility in the (stars?). He says he will just wait in case he gets a call.

DDA Akemon presents the witness, Timothy Hall.

6. TIMOTHY HALL.
Judge Marcus instructs the witness.

DA: How old are you?
TH: 22.
DA: December 3rd, 2011, were you at a party ... 8927 S. Western, in the county of Los Angeles?
TH: Yeah.
DA: Did you go to the party with anyone?
TH: I partied ... my cousin.
DA: What's your cousin's name?
TH: Bam.

The cousin's real name is Solomon Barnett.

DA: What time did you get to the party? ... About what time?
TH: If I can remember exactly, about 10. It was close to midnight.
DA: How did you get there?
TH: My cousin's car. ... I rode with him.
DA: When you arrived did you go inside?
TH: Yes.
DA: When you were there, did something unusual happen?
TH: My chain came up missing. ... Someone must of taken it. ... I was in a circle of conversation. ... they crept up to me and snatched it at my neck.

The witness states there were more than 100 people at the party.

DA: When your chain got snatched (what did you do?)?
TH: I got ready to leave. ... I was angry because someone had pulled my chain out. ... I was walking out. .. I was going to the car. ... I start hearing shots.
DA: Where were the shots coming from?
TH: Behind me. .. At first, ... only heard about two, three shots.
DA: What happened after that.
TH: I took off running.
DA: Where did you run?
TH: In the street. ... I kept heading ... the street ... I just played possum. .... I thought everything was over. ... I started to walk back to the party. That's when I realized I got shot.
DA: How many times did you get shot?
TH: Eight.

DDA Akemon stops the witness and asks him to go over all his gunshot wounds, starting at the head.
The first gunshot wound the witness talks about is the right side of his head, in his temple area.

DDA Where were you?
TH: I was in the midst of running. ... I don't know when the bullet hit my head. ... I know it just hit me. ... It grazed my head but it gave me a slight concussion.
(Unknown) Objection! Hearsay. ... that it gave him a concussion. (miss ruling)

DA: Did you get stitches or (sutures?)
TH: How many? I don't know. I just know it was a lot.

The next injury that's discussed was to his right shoulder.

DA: Please describe the injury to your right shoulder.
TH: There was just a big chunk missing.

This wound was like a graze. Hall got stitched, but he doesn't remember.  There were two gunshot wounds to his stomach.

JM: Pointing to the right side, four inches from his waist line.
DA: That's accurate.
JM: Lower quadrant of his stomach, right side.
DA: So you had two bullet wounds to your right side.

These bullets were removed. They didn't exit the body. The next injury is to his rib.

JM: Pointing to his right side and ribcage.
DA: By the way, when the two (gunshot wounds) to the stomach. Where were you when you were running?
TH: I was on the sidewalk.
DA: When you came out of the club, when was the first time you knew (you were hit?)?
TH: I didn't know I was hit until all the shooting was over. ... When I got up and all the adrenaline was rushing. ... When I hear someone said someone got shot in the head.

There's an objection. Judge Marcus allows the statement to stand.

DA: You indicated right side (of your?) rib. Did that bullet go inside your body?
TH: They had to remove that one also.
JM: I'm going to allow that one. Objection over ruled.

DA: What was the next gunshot wound?
TH: One to my back.
DA: Please stand up and show. 

The witness points to his right side, very close to the waist, right lower back, possibly right kidney area.

JM: I'll accept that.
DA: What was next?
TH: My right upper thigh. ... On the inside.
DA: Did that bullet go inside your body?
TH: That was removed also.
DA: What was the next gunshot wound your suffered?
TH: My (anus?).
DA: Did that bullet go inside you ... ?

This bullet was also removed during surgery. DDA Akemon adds up the injuries and Hall verifies those are all eight of his wounds.

DA: When you were shot, and you're (laying? down?) ... you were shot, what did you do?
TH: I panicked. ... The first think I did was to try to call 911 because I had blood running down my face, I couldn't see good. ... I didn't want to sit down. ... My adrenaline was running. I was scared. I was scared for my life. ... Someone called 911 and I heard the ambulance ... everything ... coming up  Western.
DA: Did the ambulance come and help you? ... Did you get into the ambulance?

TH: I went into surgery.
DA: How long were you in the hospital?
TH: I can't be exact, but it was about a week.
DA: Do you have anything left over from your gunshot wounds today?
TH: Yes sir.
DA: (What's that?)
TH: I have to go to the surgery last year around this time for a bowel obstruction because the (?) had ripped up the colon, and my intestines they had to remove 16 inches of my colon. ... What I was eating caused a bowel obstruction.
DA: Are you walking okay?
TH: Yes.
DA: Any other problems?
TH: Just my back.
(Unknown) Objection!  Your honor. (miss ruling)
(Unknown) So he has some back pain.
TH: It's just me bending, since I work now, so standing for long periods of time, it would cramp up or tighten up when it's also real cold.

DA: Who shot you?
TH: My back was turned. ... Social media told me... My back was turned because I was running.
DA: Did you see any part of the person who was shooting?
TH: No.
DA: Did you see what race that person (was?)?
TH: Most of the party was black, so...
DA: Did you see...
(Unknown) Objection!
JM: I'll strike that answer.
DA: Did you see what sex that person was?
TH: No.
DA: When you went to the hospital .... When you were seated in that chair .... Did you sit down in a chair in front of the party?

The witness denies sitting in a chair in front of the event, or he doesn't remember.

DA: Did you at any time, sit in a chair in front of the party?
TH: No.
DA: ... Direct your attention to a photograph. Do you recognize whats in the photo?
TH: Yes. Those are my clothes that were ripped off. ... If I'm not mistaken, that's my T-shirt that they cut off of me. ... Yeah, that's my t-shirt.

DDA Akemon zooms in on the image of the chair to see the clothing better.

DA: Were you seated in that chair?
TH: Yeah, that's when they cut my clothing off me. ... I didn't want to sit down. They forced me to sit down.
DA: That's when they ....

TH: I told them I wasn't sure who shot me because my back was turned.
DA: At that party, do you see anyone here that was also at the party? ... Is there anyone that you recognize besides me?
TH: Javier Bolden. ... We went to school together.

The witness identifies Javier Bolden for the record.

DA: When did you first meet Mr. Bolden?
TH: Years ago ... I don't remember. ... We've known each other for a while.
DA: Can you give me an estimate for the number of years?
TH: I'd say about three or four.
DA: When did you first meet Mr. Bolden?
TH: High school.
DA: What grade were you in?
TH: I had just left high school.
JM: What grade were you in when you met him?
TH: I was a junior in ... He was a year behind me. (So he was a year younger?)
DA: When inside the party, where did you first see Mr. Bolden?
(Unknown) Objection!
JM: Sustained! He didn't say that yet.
DA; Did you see him at the party?
TH: No.
DA: Did you see anybody inside the party that had any tattoos?
TH: Everybody had tattoos.
DA: Did you see anyone that had a tattoo on his knee? ... Do you recall someone in the party that, someone had a tattoo on his knee?

I believe the witness answers no to all of the above questions.

DA: Have you heard the term FUCK NAPS? ... Do you know what it means?
TH: Yes.
DA: Did you see anyone at the party that had that tattoo on their knee?
TH: No.
DA: Did you tell ... Do you remember you telling the police officer when you were in the chair ... (talked to a police officer?
TH: I don't remember.

The witness does remember talking to a police officer. It was a few days later, when he was under medication.

DA: Do you remember talking to officers who were in standard blue uniforms?
TH: I remember police officers coming into the hospital, but they were not in uniform.
DA: Did they appear to be detectives?
TH: Yeah.
DA: Did they come to interview ... after you had surgery?
TH: Yeah, the ones ...
DA: How long after surgery did the detectives come to talk to you?
TH: About my second or third day after surgery ... because I was rushed into surgery from the ambulance.
DA: When you discussed ... with those detectives, was it at the hospital? ... Was it in the hospital room?
TH: Yes.
DA: Did you know your conversation was being recorded?
TH: Yes.

DA: Did you give them some information...?
TH: Yes.
DA: Was your father and mother present?
TH: Yes.
DA: Were two detectives present?
TH: Yes.

The detectives had asked questions about what happened at the party and who was present.

DA: At that time, did you tell them anything about what you knew who shot you?
TH: I told them that I was told who shot me from multiple sources, who could have been the shooter.
DA: After that interview, a couple of months later, did a woman detective show you some Facebook photos to see if you could identify who shot you?
TH: Yeah.
DA: Did you give her some information at that point?
TH: I really don't remember what I told her. It was so long ago. ... I don't.
DA: After you were with that detective, and you looked at photos, and gave you some information, did she come back with more Facebook photos ... ?
TH: Just one.
DA: Did you give her some information about who shot you?

DA: How do you feel about testifying in this case?
TH: Nervous.
DA: Why are you feeling nervous?
TH: I've never ha to do anything like that. It's not normal for me.
DA: Are you concerned at all ... concerned about being a snitch?
(Unknown) Objection! Leading.
TH: Snitch? No.
JM: I'll have to sustain the phrasing.

DA: When you were interviewed in the hospital room, you were interviewed ... You were interviewed in the hospital, do you recall that?
TH: Yes.
DA: There were two uniformed officers who interviewed... do you recall that at all?
TH: No.

The witness states he only remembers the second time, when there was a female detective and his parents were there.

DA: You told them that your chain ... Didn't you tell them that the shooter went to school with you?
(Unknown) Objection! Leading.
TH: I don't remember that.
DA: Do you run with a gang or party crew?
TH: I used to but not any more.
DA: What was that.
TH: Inn Ink.

(I had this spelling verified. Sprocket.Inn Ink Facebook Page.)

DA: You said that you weren't concerned about being labeled a snitch ...

It was Hall's father that didn't want him to be involved in this case.

TH: I mean, he has to do what .... I have to do what is right for me. So...
DA: So when you were issued (a subpoena) to be at court last week, .... because your dad told you not to come ... so it was out of fear?

The morning break is called. After the break is over, Hall explains why he ignored a subpoena to be at court on September 25th.

DA:  ... left off with being afraid...
TH: Because for one my dad didn't want me to participate and two because I was fearful for myself.
DA: Why are you fearful for yourself?
TH: Just personal reason. The thought of the name the snitch will come to mind and I had never really had to deal with nothin' like this.

When the witness didn't show up at court he was picked up and put in jail for a little while.

DA: Going back to the shooting. Did you see the person who shot you?
TH: No. I was running.
DA; when you were interviewed by detectives in the hospital, did you give them information about the shooter?
TH: I don't know. I told them I was told.
DA: Did they give you names from high school?
TH: They gave me names.
DA: Do you recall talking to them about someone from your high school days?
TH: No, I don't remember that.
DA: Would it help your memory if you looked at the transcript of the recording of that conversation? Page 6 of the interview with Mr. Hall, with Detectives Mendoza (sp?) and Mansillas.

GS: Objection! You're going to start on page 5?
DA: Why don't we start on page 5, line 28, and see if that refreshes...

Judge Marcus appears to be reading the transcript.  I think that's what we are waiting for.

DA: Do you recall telling the detectives as knowing the man who shot you was from your high school days?

Hall states he has no memory of that. Akemon asks him if going over the transcript will help him remember.  There's an objection by both defense teams.  Same problem.

DA; I asked the witness if he remembered saying "The dude, whomever he was, I knew in high school." Does that refresh your memory about what you told detectives?
TH: I don't remember saying (that?).
DA: So did you say that to police?

Looking at the transcript does not refresh his memory.

TH: No.
DA: Do you remember saying that the man who shot you was someone who was in tenth grade when you were in eleventh?
TH: I don't remember saying that.
DA: You do remember the shooting. ... You remember telling them that someone snatched your chain off.  .. When you came out of surgery, how many people told you about what happened?
TH: I don't remember. There were so many.
DA: When you were talking to detectives, do you remember telling (them?) you knew the shooter?
TH: No.

He doesn't remember.

DA: Do you... you don't recall saying that?
TH: No.

The transcript does not refresh his memory.

DA: You said there were people in your hospital room that told you who shot you. ... ?
TH: There were so many people there, who said they were there, who saw the shooter.
DA: And those conversations happened in your hospital room?
TH: Yes.
DA: How many people in your ... hospital room told you who shot you?
TH: It was many.
DA: Can you tell me, was it less than ten or more than ten?
TH: I don't remember. ... I had countless people.
DA: What were the names of the people who told you in your hospital room who told you who shot you?
TH: I don't remember.
(Unknown) Objection!
JM: Sustained.
DA: How long (have?) you known Mr. Bolden?

The witness shrugs his shoulders.

TH: Three or four years.
DA: During that three or four year period have you seen Mr. Bolden before?
TH: (At) parties.
DA: On about how many occasions have you seen Mr. Bolden?
TH: Three or four times. We don't mess with the same people.
DA: During those times, did you get to know him?
TH: We was friends, we didn't....
DA: During that time frame, did you come to know who his brother was?
TH: No.
DA: Did you know if he had a foster brother or not?
TH: No.
DA: Did you come to know the names of his family?
TH: No.
DA: When you were in the hospital room, do you remember telling detectives that you were shot with Javier's brother's gun?
TH: No sir.
DA: Did you tell police in the hospital room that you know his brother and that he always had a gun?
TH: I never knew that he had a brother.
(Unknown) Objection!
JM: If you're going to object, you must give me the evidentiary reason. (miss ruling)

DA: When you were talking to detectives...
JS: Objection! He already testified that he learned form friends and social media.
JM: I don't know that the DA has to accept that. Objection over ruled.
DA: When talking to detectives in your hospital room do you remember telling them you were shot with his brother's gun?
GS: Objection!
JM: Over ruled.
DA: You testified earlier that you ... unable to tell us what the shooter was wearing?
TH: I don't know who the shooter was. My back was to him and I was running.
DA: Do you recall telling detectives in the hospital, information about what the shooter was wearing?
TH: (No.)
DA: Would it refresh your memory if you looked at a transcript?
TH: It's been too long. I was in the hospital and under medication.

I believe there is another objection. Judge Marcus responds, "I don't see anything about clothing. Am I missing something here?"  Judge Marcus is informed that there is a problem with the pagination of this transcript too.  The court is given a corrected copy.

JM: This is quite different. Thank you.
DA: May I attempt to refresh his memory?
JM: Sure. You want to show him something?
DA Page 21 line 19.

Judge Marcus instructs the witness to pleas read the transcript to himself.

DA: Does that refresh your memory about what you told the detective about what the defenant was wearing?
TH: No.
DA: When you were interviewed by police in the hospital room, do you recall telling them about where the shooter was when you got shot?
TH: No. Like I said, that whole thing was pretty much a blur. I was so doped up under the medication, I don't remember most of it.
DA: So if I show you your transcript and show you line by line will that assist you in your meory or not?
TH: No.

The bailiff tells a woman in the gallery to put her phone away.

DA; When you were in the hospital room with detectives, you told them that when you walked outside the shooter was waiting for you?
TH: No. I don't rememer that.
DA: You told detectives in that interview, the shooter chased you around and you ran. (miss answer)

DA: Do you remember telling the detectives that the shooter chased you around and shot you? ... You told the detectives that you were shot in the stomach?
TH: Yeah.
DA: You told the detective that the shooter went to school with you?

The witness shakes his head no.

DA: You told the detective that the shooter was present at the party with his brother and that his brother had a tattoo on his knee that said: FUCK NAPS.

I believe the witness either says no or has no memory of that.

DA: You told the detective that the shooter and his brother were always together?
TH: No.
DA: You told detectives in that interview that the shooter's brother always has a gun?
TH: No, I don't remember that.
DA: You told detectives in that hospital ... in that interview, that you know the shooter's brother from parties?
TH: I don't know anything about a brother.
DA: But you told detectives that you knew the shooter's brother from parties?
TH: No, I don't remember. ... The whold interview was a blur, it was so long ago.
DA: You told detectives in that interview that the brother goes by (Actie or something Active?)?
TH: No.
DA: You told the detectives that you went to Hamilton with the brother?
TH: No.
DA: I thought you testified earlier that you went to Dorsey? Did you go to Hamilton or Dorsey?
TH: I went to both.
DA: You told detectives that you were in the 10th grade and the shoother was in the 9th grade?
TH: No.
DA: Your father was in the interview and do you remember your father telling detectives...?
TH: No, I don't. ... I just remember him going off on the detective.

DA: In that interview in that hospital room, did anyone give you the name of the shooter?
TH: No.
DA: Nobody gave you that name?
TH: No.

DA: After that interview, were you interviewed again, a couple of months later, by a woman detective?
TH: Yes.
DA: Do you know what that detective's name is?
TH: I don't know her name. I just know she's from the 77th Division.
DA: When that woman detective interviewed you, did she show you some photographs?
TH: (Yes.)
DA: Tell us what the officer showed you.
TH: It was group photos.
DA: Where were you when she showed that to you?
TH: I was at home.
DA: Did she ask you wheter you could identify who  was involved in the shooting?
TH: I told her that nobody in the photo looked familiar to me.

DA: Did you tell her that you recognized Javier Bolden?
TH: No, not from that photo.
DA: You don't remember telling her whe you looked at the group photo, you identified Javier Bolden?

I believe the witness tells the judge it was two groups of photographs and that he identified (Bolden?) in another photo.

People's exhibit #32. Photograph. It's a group photo of about 12 people in the photo.  DDA Akemon directs his attention to the photo on the overhead screen.

DA: Do you recognize the photo?
TH: That's the photo she showed me.
DA: That's the photo that the woman detective showed you at your house that day?
TH: Did you tell her anything about that photo?
TH: This is the photo where I told her I knew Javier.
DA: Javier Bolden?
TH: Yeah.

The witness is asked to point out Javier Bolden in the courtroom.

DA: Mr. Hall sir, I'm going to put this group photo in front of you. Please put a circle around where Mr. Bolden is in this photograph.

Judge Marcus states for the record that the witness circles the man.  The witness clarifies that the circled person in the photo is Javier.  The witness is asked if that's the person he identified in court today.  Hall replies, "Yes."

DA: Did you tell the detective that you knew Mr. Bolden and you pointed him out to her? ...Do you remember telling her about what the person's relationship was to the person who shot you?
TH: No.
DA: During the interview with the woman detective, do you remember telling her that Javier was the brother of the shooter and that you knew him as 'BJ?"
TH: No.

DA: Do you recall saying anything to her about knowing about being familiar with the shooter and his family?
TH: No.
DA: After you looked at this group photograph, and you pointed at Mr. Bolden, did the detective leave ... ?
TH: Yes she did. She only came to the door.

DA: Did she ask you if you recognized anybody else? ... Did you recognize anybody else?
TH: No.
DA: Did the detective come back the next day?
TH: No.
DA: Did the detective come back at all?
TH: Not that I recall. ... No, I just remember her coming once. ... I think it was February, I'm not sure.

DA: The detective came to your house on February 21st, does that sound familiar?
TH: I don't know the date.
DA:You don't remember the detective coming back the next day?
TH: No.
DA: You don't remember that at all?
TH: No.
DA: You just remember her showing you two photographs, but you don't remember if it was on two different days?
TH: No.

People's exhibit #33. It's a photo of a man. I can't see it well from where I'm sitting.

DA: Mr. Hall, ... direct your attention to the photograph. Can you see that sir?
TH: Yeah.
DA: Can you recognize the person in that photograph?
TH: No.
DA: At the top of the photo there are some initials.  Do you see that sir?
TH: Yeah.

DDA Akemon zooms in, a close up of the image of the man.  I recognize that it's defendant Bryan Barnes.

DA: Left side are initials that say BJ. Who put those initials here? ... Did you put those initials there?
TH: No
DA: Do you remember putting those initials there when you wit with the detective?
TH: No.
DA: In the upper right corner, ... the corner .. "TH." ... Who put those initials there?
TH: No. ... Not that I remember that.
DA: Do you remember putting those initials there?
TH: No.

DA When the detectives showed you a photograph, did you know that you were being recorded?
TH: No.
DA: When the detective showed you a photo, you didn't know that you were being recorded?
TH: She didn't stay long. ... I don't remember that photo(s). I just remember two group photos.

DA: Would it refresh your memory to read a transcript of when the Detective Mansillas ... ?
TH: I don't know.
DA: When the detective came to your residence, the detective showed you some photographs?

The witness reads the six page transcript. He is instructed to read the transcript to himself.  The witness states he doesn't remember or know that he was being recorded because the detective didn't stay long.

DA: Mr. Hall, you had a chance to read that. Does that refresh your memory?
TH: No. I don't even remember that interview.

DDA Akemon and DDA Brazil whisper for a moment.

DA: Mr. Hall sir, you do recall the detective coming to your house?
TH: Yes.
DA: You recall how many times she came to your house?
TH: I only recall once.
DA: And that was bout two months after you were shot?

Hall was talking to the detective at his home.

DA: ... Was anyone in the house?
TH: My mom, I think.

Hall was inside, and then he went outside on the porch with the detective.   I believe Hall is asked if his mom came out onto the porch or not.  Hall states he recalls seeing that group photo, but he doesn't recall seeing People's exhibit #33, the photo of Bryan Barnes.

DA: You don't recall that at all?
TH: No.
DA: In your interview with, ... at your residence with detective Mansillas, she brought one photo to look at?
TH: Yes. But it was the two group photos that she (showed?) me.

DDA Akemon tells the court, "I'm going to play a recording. I'm almost done."

DA: And when the detective came to your house, is it true that she showed you that photo with the single person?
TH: Not that I know.
DA: Isn't it true that you looked at the photograph, People's 33, and told the detective the person was 'BJ' who shot you? .. And isn't it true that the detective asked you to initial the photograph?
TH: I don't remember.
DA: Isn't it true that you looked at this photo and put your initials TH.... ?
TH: I don't remember.
DA: With the court's permission, can we play a prior recording of this interview?
JM: Is that the one involve with this photo?
JS: Objection!
JM: Over ruled. This is basically a green situation. ... They are allowed to put on his previous statements and the court gets to decide which one to believe.

People's exhibit #34, a transcript of an interview with the witness. People's exhibit #35, a CD of that interview.  Akemon explains to the witness that he's going to play the recording, then stop it at certain points and ask the witness questions about the recording.  Hall replies, "Okay."

My notes on the recording:
Female Detective: February 22nd. I'll only take five minutes of your time. I want you to look at one picture today. I only brought one picture today. That's because you said you knew this guy from high school.

DA: I'm pausing the tape now sir. Do you recognize voices on the tape?
TH: That's the detective but I can't recall that day. ... But I do know the detective's voice, but I don't recall that day.
DA Please listen to the male voice.

Recording:
... the (vine?) officer saw you at the hospital ... was tell Timothy since these people are kind of familiar ... he now ... who they are ... from that would be able to show.  Yeah ... That, ... it's going to take five minutes.  We had that conversation yesterday that you knew him and his brother.

DA: Stopping the recording at 2 minutes and (?)
TH: Yeah, that's my voice.
DA: And you just heard yourself talk to the detective. Do you remember any part of that?
TH: No.

Recording:
This Javier brother ... Bryan ... I just need you to initial here really quick okay? We're just going to take this one step at a time. He's not in custody. We kind of have to put this case together. I don't want to take it to court with (?) a piece of a paper like that. If you could just write your initials, just yours. But you know, it's like we need a bunch of stuff. We need a whole bunch of papers. We have other people who are talking to me because of retaliation and stuff.  ... Okay, it's all basically we're doing today.  ... I think he just.... I'm going to rec...

JS: I'm going to object to this part of the recording.

I believe Judge Marcus states that it creates content.

Recording:
That's always a common fear with victims. Don't want to make you do anything you don't want to do. We have those emergency funds, just take care of him that's all I want to do. I don't want to take up any more of your time.

JS: Objection.

I'm not sure if it's the court of Ms. Seng who talks about the tape and whether it's showing context, which set of statements is true. It's not "352." Mr. Sztraicher crosses the witness for Bryan Barnes.

GS: The fear of the (mother?) and him being present... Is the court is about to consider his credibility with the officer on the other day?  (miss response)

GS: Sir, do you know Ms. ABC?
TH: No.
GS Sir do you know Ms. ABC-D?
TH: No.
GS: Directing your attention to the night you got shot. Your evening started on December 2nd, is that correct?
TH: Yes.
GS: And you were shot somewhere, (in the?) early morning hours of December 3rd?
TH:No, it was late Friday night.
JM: Do you understand after midnight?
TH: No, it was Friday.

GS: Fair to say you were at the party about one hour prior to getting shot?
TH: I don't know if it was that long.
GS: You arrived somewhere between 10 pm and 11 that night? ... time when you woke up that day to the time you left the party. ... Did you drink any alcohol?
TH: No.
GS: Did you smoke any marijuana?
TH: No.
GS: When you arrived at the party, did you drink alcohol?
TH: Yeah.
GS: How much alcohol would you say you drank?
TH: I don't remember.
GS: What was your drink of choice on that evening?
TH: I don't remember that either.
GS: Would it  be fair to say you drank a significant amount of alcohol before the night ended for you?
TH: No.

GS: You were taken to the hospital?
TH: Yes.
GS: And they gave you medical treatment?
TH: Yes.
GS: And they took a blood alcohol analysis?
TH: Yes.
GS: Did they tell you what the results of that blood alcohol was?
TH: Yes.
GS: Would it be fair to say that prior to being shot you were feeling intoxicated?
TH: Yes.
GS: Would it be fair to say you had consumed alcoholic beverages?
TH: Yes.
GS: Did you smoke marijuana?
TH: No.
GS: Did you use any other drugs?
TH: No.

GS: Is it your testimony that you attended high school with Mr. Bolden is that right?
TH: Yeah.
GS: And you went to both Hamilton and Dorsey?
TH: Yeah.
GS: Did you go to any other (school)?
TH: South Bay Lutheran. It's a private school in Inglewood.
GS: You don't recognise anyone in this courtroom ... The only one in blue that you recognize is Javier, is that right?
TH: Yeah.

GS: You've been asked a lot of questions in this court about a transcript.  ... You said you can't identify the person who shot you because you had your back turned?
TH: Yeah.
GS: In fact this is not the first time you said that (right?) ... You were interviewed in the hospital by Ms. Mansillas on that day?
TH: Yes.
GS: And she asked you about who the shooter was?

The page and line number is asked for.

GS: Page 3 of the December 5th, lines 12, 13.  ... on December 5th, the events that occurred on the night of the shooting were fresher in your mind than they were told previously ... ?
TH: Yes.
GS: (Prior?) to the people that came to your hospital room and they were telling you things that you didn't have first hand knowledge of, is that correct?
TH: Yeah.
GS: And they were telling you things that they said?
TH: Yeah.
GS: You knew for a fact that some of the people who talked to you, that they didn't have first hand information?
TH: Yeah.
GS: Your father, was he at the party?
TH: No.
GS: And he was giving you information?
TH: My father was told the same things that (they?) reported.
GS: He was told some tings second, third hand, you don't know?
TH: Yeah.

GS: You said on that date, who was it, honestly, my back was turned and my cousin told me to run. Is that the truth?
TH: Yes.
GS: And you testified early this morning that there were lots of people inside that party, is that correct?
TH: Yes.
GS: Would it be fair to say the party was crowded?
TH: Yes.
GS: Was it dark in the ...
TH: Yes.
GS: Was there loud music?
TH: Yes.
GS: Do you know what a strobe light is?

The witness pauses. He appears confused to me.  Another question about the party.

GS: Were the colored lights strobe lights?
TH: No.
GS: You said there was more than 100 people inside that room?
TH: Yeah.
GS: Since I wasn't there and no one inside this courtroom was there, was.. could you move around without bumping into people?
TH: Not really.
GS: And it's your testimony that at some point ... that it appeared your chain got snapped?
TH: Yeah.
GS: And you have no idea who snatched your chain is that correct?
TH: Yeah.
GS: And in fact you have on previous occasions during an interview with police you told them it was very difficult to know who was the ... and what people were doing?
TH: Yeah.
GS: Is that correct?
TH: Yeah.

GS: Same transcript, page 3, line 26.  Isn't it true that... regards to the party and who was there, and you said, "Well the party was so messed up with so much .. (going on in there?)..."
(TH?) Yeah.
GS: "You couldn't really tell who was banging on who and who was gettin' on who, I (could?) name a few of the hoods that were in there, but I know I got my chain snapped." ... Is that what you said?
TH: Yeah.

GS: You testified you had some lingering back injuries?
TH: Yeah.
GS: The other time you were shot, previously, what part of your body was that?
TH: Both feet.

I believe there's a startled response to that by counsel. There are very few people here today. One reporter left before court even started.  Jill from the LA Times is here.

GS: Your testimony that ... isn't it true that ... did you just hear an audio tape of a transcript that was recorded on February 22nd?
TH: Yes.
GS: And you heard what sounded like your voice on that tape?
TH: Yeah.
GS: And Officer Mansillas on that tape ...?
TH: Yes.
GS: And she's the officer that came to your house?
TH: Yeah.
GS: Did you recall that tape?
TH: No.

Counsel asks the court if they can break at this point. It's a good moment to decide whether or not he has any other questions.  The court agrees. I believe Judge Marcus asks the witness a few questions of his own.

JM: Mr. Hall, you said earlier that you still consider Mr. Bolden as a friend today is that correct?
TH: Yeah.
JM. When people came to tell you who was the shooter...
MD: Objection! The court is asking for third hand or fourth hand (information?)!
JM: I'm not asking for the truth of the matter. ... Did they give you any names about who the shooters were?
TH: No.

The lunch break is called. Hall's testimony isn't finished yet.  Hall appears to be mumbling, or speaking under his breath when he walked past the two detectives in the well. I couldn't understand him, but he didn't appear to be happy.

1:17 PM
I'm on the 9th floor, waiting for the courtroom to open. I've not covered a case where there are two defendants, both facing the death penalty.

When a defendant is facing the death penalty, they must have two defense attorneys. One counsel represents the defendant for the guilt phase while the other will represent them in the death decision phase. One of those reasons is the US Supreme Court has adopted the American Bar Association's recommendations for death penalty cases. According to this ACLU document [PDF], those requirements state that the judge, counsel, and jury, all must be "specially qualified as capable and experienced."

The document also states:  
Defense costs in death penalty trials are also significantly higher than in other cases because of the greater obligations imposed on the defense. The United States Supreme Court has used the ABA [American Bar Association] Guidelines for Death Penalty Representation to establish the appropriate “standard of care” in defending death penalty cases. ...
The guidelines prescribe a four-member defense team in every potential death penalty case: two attorneys and two investigators. This is twice the usual defense staffing in a murder case and is required because there may be a separate penalty phase trial. 
It's my understanding that one of the reasons there are two defense attorneys is that they argue different phases of the case. The reasoning for that appears to be, you would not want the jury to hear arguments from the same attorney (who just lost the case on the guilt phase) also arguing to the jury to save the defendant's life.  (If there are legal eagles out there who have a different understanding of the law, please leave a comment or drop me a line. Sprocket.)

To be continued in Day 3, Part III.....

Bryan Barnes & Javier Bolden Prelim Day 3, Part III, USC Chinese Grad Student Murders, Ying Wu & Ming Qu

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October 2nd, 2013
1:30 PM
I'm inside Dept. 102.  All of the attorneys are here setting up their files.  Akemon and Goldman are having a conversation.  There has been a good, friendly rapport between all counsel. In the last several years I've covered cases, I've not seen the animosity between counsel like I observed between former DDA Alan Jackson and defense attorney Doron Weinberg, back during the second Spector trial.  It was so apparent, even Judge Fidler commented on it, on the record. 

What I have observed, is defense counsel that is provided to defendants by the court system (Public Defenders, Alternate Public Defenders and court appointed counsel), work with the DA's office on a regular basis.  Often times, defense counsel and DDA's are friends outside of the work environment. It makes every one's job much easier if they cooperate and get along with each other in court.

(Note: When prior transcripts are read back verbatim, I can't guarantee I'm getting the wording exactly as said. Sprocket.)

1:34 PM
6. TIMOTHY HALL. (continued)
Timothy Hall retakes the stand.  Javier Bolden is brought out first and handcuffed to his chair, then Bryan Barnes is brought out and placed in his chair.  Like I've mentioned before, the chairs defendants sit in don't have wheels, making them harder to move.  Mrs. Barnes is sitting in the courtroom on the far left side.

(Unfortunately, my notes are not clear if Barnes' defense counsel, Gustavo Sztraicher continues with the questioning, or if it's possibly Marie D'Onofrio. Before lunch, my notes indicate that Mr. Sztraicher's cross was finished.  A bit later on, I do have it clearly marked that Jana Seng, Javier Bolden's counsel crosses the witness.  So the next set of questions are marked with a Q, instead of counsel's initials. Sprocket.)

Q: This morning, counsel has asked you several times about ... had you ever been shown this transcript prior to today?
TH: I was given a copy but I never looked at them.
Q: You never read them?
TH: No.
Q: This is the first time that you've actually becoming familiar with them?
TH: Yeah.
Q: Directing you to the audio. Had you ever heard that audio tape prior to today?
TH: No.

People's exhibit #32, the group photo.

Q: Mr. Hall, directing you to an interview that Detective Mansillas has on February 21st of 2012. She showed you two group photographs, is that correct?
TH: Yes.
Q: Did those two group photos look like they were taken at approximately the same time?
TH: No.
Q: You recall the photo you were shown?
TH: Yeah.
Q: When you looked at it back in (Feb?), did you have a chance to (?) it back in February?
TH: No.
Q: But you examined it ... and the only person you identified was Javier Bolden?
TH: Yeah.

Now the second photo.

Q: Now sir, directing your attention to the December 5th transcript, page 4 lines 21 through the end of the page. Page 6 line 1 and 2.  Sir, you've been asked about these transcripts multiple times, would it refresh your memory if I read you a piece of this transcript and ask you what you're referring to? ... I'm going to read about eight lines, and ask you what you're referring to, okay?

The witness nods his head.  Counsel says it's to put it in context.  Talking about going to parties, to put in context.
And I said, okay, I'll go, but I'm not really the type to explore random neighborhoods.
Yeah.
Because I've had my time out here in these streets, I know, you know what could happen.  Like I told the ambulance, this isn't my first time being shot.
Interviewer. Okay.
I've been shot before. It's like I know what happens out there and the dude whatever he was knew me from high school, (banging?) days.
Q: When you were talking about the dude, whoever he was, were you talking about the dude the first time you were shot?
TH: No.
Q: You went to a Dorsey, Hamilton and a third high school, what (was that?)?
TH: South Bay Lutheran.
Q: Did you go to the regular part of Hamilton ... ?
TH: No. I was in the magnet program.

Q: (Drawing your?) attention to the February 22nd transcript, pages 2 lines 11 through 16.  Sir, would it jog your memory if I possibly read a portion of this transcript to ask what you were referring to?
Interviewer: I only brought out one picture today.
Okay.
Interviewer: I only brought one picture today, that's because you said you knew this guy.
Uh-hum.
High school ... high school and all that other stuff.
Q: Were you referring to Javier Bolden at that time?
TH: Yeah.
Q: And subsequently, earlier this morning ... you were shown a photograph marked People's #33. (The single person photo.) ... You remember being shown that photo?
TH: No.
Q: Remember being shown this morning?
TH: Yes.
Q: Remember the audio tape?
TH: Yeah.

Q: You never said during that interview (correct?) that this was the shooter? ... And you never remembered telling the detective this was the shooter?
TH: Yeah.

This examination ends and Ms. Seng steps up to cross for Javier Bolden.

JS: Mr. Hall, the party that you were at on December 3rd, 2011, was there a strict dress code?
TH: No, there was not. ... No.
JS: Did you tell the detective during the interview at the hospital that there was a strict dress code?
TH: No.
JS: You did not tell Detective Mansillas that the particular party you attended, there was a strict dress code?
TH: No.

JS: But you did tell her, tell Detective Mansillas, there was some sort of argument inside the club, isn't that correct?
TH: Yes.
JS: And that was between a (partying?) with another individual?  ... And that person was Bobby?
TH: Bobby? I don't know the dude.

JS: Did you tell them that the person who had an argument with Bam (was Bobby?)?
TH: No.

The witness doesn't remember that.

JS: You didn't tell him that the person who had the argument was Javier?
TH: No.
JS: After inside the party, you walked out of the party. Was that with your cousin Bam?
TH: Yes.
JS: When you walked out, was he by your side?
TH: No. He was in front of me.
JS: SO he was in front and you followed behind?
TH:Yes.
JS: And at some point you heard him say to you was, "Run?"
TH: Yes.

He was headed in the direction of 89th Street.

JS: So when Bam told you to run, that's what you did, correct?
TH: Yes.
JS: Do you recall seeing an SUV right in front of the party?
TH: I don't remember, no.
JS: Do you recall running around an SUV vehicle at the (start?) of the shooting?
TH: I remember running in the street but I wasn't paying attention to the car.
JS: Do you recall where you had earlier indicated how you played possum? ... You played dead even though you hadn't been hit?
TH: Yeah.
JS: By any gunshot?
TH: No. ... No, I just laid in the street, close to the curb.

Pat Kelly and Mary Hearn from the court's Public Information Office enter Dept. 102.

JS: During the time that you were outside of the party, did you see a red Camaro parked on Western?
TH: No.
JS: Did you see a red Camaro anywhere in the middle of the street?
TH: No.
JS: Turning your attention to your interview at the hospital with female Detective Mansillas.  ... Isn't it true that you never mentioned the name Javier Bolden at the hospital?
TH: Yeah.

The witness went to school with Javier at Darcey, not Hamilton.

JS: The interview where the detective went to your house, ... the group photo you said that you pointed to Javier Bolden, and you did that because he was a person that you knew?
TH: Yes.
JS: You didn't do that because he was in any way involved in your shooting?
TH: No.
JS: The only reason you had pointed to Javier Bolden was because you simply knew him, correct?
TH: Yes.
JS: And that was the only reason?
TH: Yes.
JS: Javier Bolden was not ... there were not subsequent photos that were shown to you of Javier Bolden were there?
TH: No.

Ms. Seng's cross ends and DDA Akemon gets up to redirect.

DA: One question. A moment ago that ... you were given the transcript in your interview in this case and you testified that you did not look at those ... Why?
TH: From the beginning when ... (at?) first I wasn't really trying to deal with the case so I never really (looked at them?).
DA: You didn't read the transcripts because you didn't want to be involved in this case?
TH: Yeah.

The witness is excused.  People in the gallery leave the courtroom with Hall. The older female could be his mother or aunt.  As the group leaves, at least one hugs a black couple to my left.

7. YOLANDA MANSILLAS-VALENTO
Ms. Mansillas is an LAPD officer assigned to the 77th gang investigation (table?) for the past four years.  Sworn officer going on 13 years. She was involved in the investigation of the shooting of Timothy Hall.

DA: Do you recognize the man who just exited the courtroom?
YM: Yes.
DA: Have you had some contact with Mr. Hall?
YM: Yes.
DA: As part of the investigation in the shooting, did you go to the hospital with your partner Ernie Mendoza to interview Mr. Hall?
YM: Yes, I did.

They talked in his hospital room. He was on the bed seated in an upright position. He looked aware and coherent.

DA: Who was present?
YM: Myself, Detective Mendoza and Timothy Hall at first.
DA: Were you joined by other people?
YM: His mother, grandmother and father.
DA: Did you attempt to interview Mr. Hall about the shooting that happened on December 3rd, two days prior?
YM: Yes we did.
DA: When you were speaking with Mr. Hall, did he tell you what happened inside the club located at ...
YM: Yes. He said he was in the club when someone inside started (banging?) on his cousin. When he approached the people that were (banging?) on his cousin; his chain was snatched.

He told his cousin that they should leave. They both exited the club at which point they were shot at. He ran directly in front of the street when he exited.   He referred to Bam as his cousin. He ran down the sidewalk south bound.

DA: Did you ever ask Mr. Hall ....(if anyone?) inside the club had an identifiable tattoo?
YM: ... At the end of the interview, 26 or 27 minutes, I asked him more about one of the individuals ... that he had a tattoo above his kneecap (that said?) FUCK NAPS.

AG: Objection. (miss ruling)
DA: Page 25 of the December 5th, 2012 (transcript?) Do you recall these questions and answers with Mr. Hall.
You said, Okay, Um, and no tattoos that you recall? Nothing that sticks out in your head?
He had FUCK NAPS on his knee.
DA: Do you recall those questions an answers?
YM: Yes I do.

DA: Was it that person with that (?) tattoo that was in the club?
YM: Yes it was.
DA: Did he tell you that he had some familiarity with the shooter's brother? ... What did he tell you about the shooter's brother?
YM: (That) he's familiar with him because he'd hung out with (them?) ... (at other?) parties with them before.
DA: Did Mr. Hall tell you (in?) that interview about the gun that he was shot with?

I believe there's an objection by counsel for both defendants. Calls for speculation ... about what he believes about the gun.  I believe DDA Akemon withdraws that question and everything is stricken. Judge Marcus states his beliefs about who owned the gun is not sufficient to have that admitted.

DA: In your conversation with Mr Hall in the hospital room, did he tell you that he had been shot before?
I've been shot before so I know what happens for ... and the dude whoever it was, he knew me from my high school banging days. 
DA: Did he say that to  you?
YM: Yes.
DA: When you were talking to Mr. Hall in the hospital room, did he tell you he was a freshman?
I was in the 10th grade...
YM: Yes.
DA: Page 7, line 4 to line 7.  Did Mr. Hall tell you...
Yeah, because his little brother, his brother. .. I was shot with his brother's gun.
There's an objection. I believe the ruling is that the next lines can be read.

DA: Page 7 line 4 to 7.
Now, I don't know his brother like that, but I do know his brother always got a gun, I know.
YM: Correct.
AG: Objection! Move to strike.

DDA Akemon explains that the second part of the (question? quote?) is what is important.

DA: But he's saying:
I don't know his brother like that
DA: ..refers to his level of knowledge.
JM: I'm going to allow it. It goes to weight.
DA: When you were talking to Mr. Hall in his hospital room on December 5th, 2012, did you ask him if he could (also?) describe the clothing of the person who shot him?
YM: Clothing came up more than once in the interview. .. I think once at the beginning and once towards the end, yes.

DA: Direct attention to page 21 starting at line 17 to 21.
So, um, do you remember what kind of shoes? You said you saw a white shirt. Could you tell me the kind of shoes he had on?

I know he had a white T-shirt and beige shorts...

And you said he had his brother, had a gun. What kind of gun was that (do?) you know?
DA: Were those the questions and answers you had with Mr. Hall at that point?
YM: Yes.

I believe Mr. Goldman asks that counsel read line 22.
The police officer told me that whomever, ... that it was a 45.
DA: Did Mr. Hall tell you that the police officer told him it was a 45?
YM: Yes.
DA: When talking to Mr. Hall in the hospital, that, when he came out of the club the shooter was already sitting outside?
YM: Yes.
DA: In the conversation in the hospital room, did you discuss with him where the shooter went after the shooting?
YM: He said the shooter ran across the street.
DA: Did you ask him which street?
YM: I was trying to get a location north or south. ... he just said, "Across the street." And my indication was that was eastbound.
JM: How do you know?
YM: My knowledge of the area.

DA: Did he say,
I just seen him taking off running across the street.
YA: Correct.
DA: Page 23 at line 17 through 20. Did Mr. Hall tell you, quote,
(Cause?) I seen his brother before. I know it's his brother's gun.
There is an objection and then a discussion about whether this statement can come in or not. DDA Akemon withdraws another objected question and moves on.

DA: Did you ask Mr. Hall,
Where have you seen the brother before?
DA: And did he tell you, "Parties?"
YM: Correct.
DA: Did Mr. Hall tell you that the brother was from (Keystones? Peastones?)
YM: Yes.
DA: And did he tell you that the brother went by ... sometimes the name (Active?)?
YM: Correct.
DA: In your conversations with Mr. Hall, was there a discussion about the two people being involved in the shooting being brothers?
YM: Yes.

I believe Goldman objects, and then Ms. Seng also objects that it's contextual. Judge Marcus sustains.

DA: On page 25, line 1 and 2.  I'll withdraw that.  Were you trying to distinguish how many were involved with the shooting?
YA: Correct.
DA: Were you trying to figure out if there was a brother involved?
YA: Correct.
DA: When you were trying to refer to a person named (Peastones? Keystones?)... ?

I believe there is another objection because I have Judge Marcus responding, "The thing that matters are his answers to what her thoughts were. It's not the question that matters, it's the answer."  There's more discussion and Judge Marcus adds, "It's not her thought it's what Hall thinks that matters."

DA: Did you ask Mr. Hall, was it the younger brother that shot at you or was it Mr. (Active?)? (And did he say?)
No, it was the younger.
YA: Yes, he did.
DA: Direct you to page 25 line 18 through 26, line...  Mam, did you have the following questions and answers.
Question: Okay, um and no tattoos that you can recall, nothing that sticks out in your head.
Answer: He's got FUCK NAPS on his knee.
Question: Who's that? The younger brother?
Answer: No, that's (Active?).
Question: Active has the tattoo?
Answer: On his knee.
Question: And you saw that during the party?
Answer: (Parties?) As I remember.
Question: And that was where? Where did you see that?
Answer: At the party because he be pulling up his (?) ... He's always trying to show off his tattoos.
DA: A the end of your interview, did you continue your investigation to try to find out who was involved in the shooting of Timothy Hall?
YM: Yes.
DA: (On February 21st, 2012), did you go Mr. Halls residence to attempt to show him anything to see if he could make an identification?
YM: Yes, I did.

DA: February 21st and 22nd. What did you do?
YM: I tried to find out who (Active?) was. I tried to locate other witnesses who may have observed what happened. I searched numerous Facebook photos and profiles. ... All were in the group (in part circled friends of friends?). I found Facebook photos posted under No Respect Inc. with approximately 20 people containing two individuals that I believed were involved according to witness statements and reports.  I showed Hall that photo.

DA: People's 32.  Photo. Do you recognize that photo?
YM: It's a photo off No Repsect Inc., that was on their (Facebook) profile.
DA: Did you make a copy and go to Mr. Halls house and make an identification?
YM: Yes.
DA: When you went to (Halls?) residence on February 21st, was this the photo you had, people's 32?
YA: He immediately identified Javier Bolden ... and he said...

He (Hall) squinted and looked at the people in the photo to the left and right of Bolden.

YA: I didn't want him to guess because he stated that the caps were turned down low.
DA: Please point to people's 32 and describe who's on that photo Mr. Hall pointed out.

Officer Mansillas uses the laser and pints to the individual circled on the photo, Javier Bolden.

YA: He pointed to Javier.
DA: Then he stated the others to his right and left, and including this individual with (the?) cap pulled down looked alike.
JM: For the record, she pointed to the individual who was previously circled.
DA; Is that person in court today?

Witness identifies Javier Bolden.

DA: When you were talking to Mr. Hall about Javier Bolden while ... what did you ask him about Mr. Bolden?
YM: I asked how he knew the family and he started to talk about a sister with a similar name, Javiara, and the family had a house at .... And he was aware, or he knew that family a little better.
DA: And what was the relevance of identifying Mr. Bolden?
YM: He stated that the brother was the shooter, 'BJ," and so ( wanted to get a better photo of the possible shooter, so that Hall would have a better photo to (choose?) or look at.

The witness had Mr. Hall look at a photo of an individual that was similar to (Bruce Shay?).  Hall just stated that Bryan and Bruce looked similar. 

YM: I was asking him if he would be able to identify 'BJ," but I don't recall what exactly was said regarding Mr. Shay (sp?). 

It's Officer Mansillas experience as a gang investigator that people who live next to each other are called aunts and uncles, and they have no relation.

(Unknown) Objection! Move to strike!
JM: Objection sustained.

The witness did an investigation to look for photos that might be of the individual she thought was 'BJ.'  She found a photo of 'BJ Barnes.'

DA: Where was Mr. Barnes in people's 32?
YM: He is in the red hat seated to Mr. Bolden's left.

She then went back to the station to get another photograph for Hall to see a better image of 'BJ."  People's 33.

DA: Do you see that man? ... Do you recognize ... ?
YM: This is a photo I pulled off of a Facebook ... that I showed to Timothy Hall.
DA: Is that person in court today?
YM: Yes. He's seated to my far left and he's (?) a blue jumpsuit.

Mansillas went back to Mr. Halls residence and showed him the photo, people's 33. Hall identified the individual as 'BJ' and initialed the photo.

DA: Did he indicate what BJ's involvement was?
YM: He was the shooter.
DA: When you showed the photos, where exactly did that happen?
YM: In Mr. Hall's living room.

Mansillas believes Hall's mother and a brother or another relative was there, standing in back of the dining room at Hall's residence.

DA: And when you had that conversation with Hall in the living room with his mother present, were you recording that interview?
YM: Yes.
DA: May I play just briefly, the interview, so the officer (can?) identify the voice, or can we stipulate to the voice?

DDA Akemon plays the audio. Mansillas identifies her voice and Hall's voice on the audio.

DA: Did his mother speak at some point as well?
YM: You can hear her in the background.

Akemon tells the court this is to have her authenticate the voices. This is for under Green, to show the prior inconsistent statements of Mr. Hall.  Sztrachier states he would prefer the audio played in it's entirety.  Judge Marcus states the people can play the (entire?) audio.  I can hear voices in the background on the tape.  It's clear on the tape that Hall identifies Barnes in the photo. In the audio, Halls' mother is concerned that if he's (Barnes) part of a gang.  Mansillas tells Hall's mother that she understands that is a concern of victims.  She tells the mother the department does have emergency funds in case of that.

DA: When having those questions and answers, was that with Mr. Hall about Bryan Barnes?
YM: Yes.

Mansillas states that it was Mr. Hall who made those initials on the photo, BJ and TH.

DDA Akemon asks Mansillas if she interviewed witness ABC.  She did.  Goldman objects.  There is  argument about whether this witness can testify as 115, since the prosecution is going to call witness ABC.  The defense (for Barnes) wants to cross examine her before hand, before witness AB is called. I believe it's Mr. Sztraicher who states he anticipates Ms. ABC will testify differently regarding descriptions of the suspect than what she told Ms. Mansillas.

Judge Marcus rules that the defense will have to call Ms. Mansillas themselves and put her on as their witness. Akemon agrees with the court.  There's more discussion about what witness ABC might say, but since ABC is going to be called and hasn't testified yet, Mansillas can't be cross examined yet, on what Ms. ABC told her, until after Ms. ABC testifies.  It's decided that Ms. Mansillas will be ordered back in a day or so.  Judge Marcus asks if the defense is ready for cross.  Gustavo Sztraicher crosses the witness for Bryan Barnes.

GS: Good afternoon Detective Mansillas. ... You prepared logs in this case?
YM: Notes.
GS: You did actually prepare a police report?
YM: It's called a follow report.
GS: And it's called 'Detective's Case Progress Logs?'
YM: Yes.
GS: Did you enter those notes when the time of the investigation was fresh in your mind?
YM: I try.
GS: And, have you had a chance to review all your detective progress logs prior to testifying today?
YM: I did review them, yes.
GS: Would you like to make any additions?
YM: I did notice that I had made an incorrect notation in my ...
GS: What would that be?
YM: Regarding Hamilton High School and the suspect. ... After clarifying in the hospital with Timothy Hall and what I had documented in my follow up report, I documented that Hall went to Hamilton High School with the suspect. ... In reviewing the recording, he stated he ... the suspect knew him from his banging days when he was in Hamilton High School.
GS: So Mr. Hall never said that he never went to high school with Bryan Barnes. ... Would you like to make any other corrections to your progress logs or follow up (314?) reports?

YM: Okay. I have the (?) in front of me ... progress logs. ... There was an inconsistency in a report where I believe I misstated what Hall had communicated on the interview of the 21st, and that was I believe I had documents that he was more familiar with the brother, verses Bolden.

GS: And is it fair to say your initial progress report said he was more familiar with Barnes? ... And you're saying that is in error. ... (It's true?) Hall said he was more familiar with Bolden?
YM: Correct.
GS: Is there anything else that you would like to correct?
YM: Not at this point.
GS: Directing your attention to your progress log, February 21st, 2012. ... Find it?  You have them? ... Then just find it then I'll ask you a few questions. Let me know when you're ready.
YM: I read it.
GS: Earlier this afternoon, you testified that on February 21st, you showed up to Mr. Halls house, is that correct?
YM: Correct.
GS: And you showed him a photograph today marked people's 32, the group photo. Is that correct?
YM: Yes.

GS: You indicated that, Mr. Hall identified Mr. Javier Bolden in that photograph. Is it fair to say, that Mr. Hall did not identify Bryan  Barnes in that photograph?
YM: Correct.
GS: Is it fair to say that Javier Bolden in people's 32 is the person whose face (he? is?) circled?
YM: Correct.
GS: And to (our?) right of Mr. Bolden, ... Mr. Bolden ... left, is a picture of Bryan Barnes, is that correct?
YM: Yes.
GS: And now, you documented what happened that day in a progress log? ... And while you audio taped several interviews you conducted in this case, you did not audio tape this conversation, correct?
YM: Correct.
GS: And your documentation today, you indicate that, when looking at that photograph, Mr. Hall squinted and looked at Bryan Barnes photo image there, is that right?
YM: Correct.
GS: You said that he squinted (at?) the image that was seated to Mr. Barnes right?
YM: He squinted in general.
GS: He squinted at the whole photograph?
YM: Correct

GS: It appeared to you that he was paying (attention to?) Barnes image on that photograph, or am I wrong?
YM: (Did I document?)
GS: I suggest that you might have implied or documented that ... so did you say that?
YM: No.
GS: So, Mr. Barnes image never came up on February 21st?
YM: When we were talking about Barnes, was not during the time he was viewing the photo.
GS: So Mr. Hall looked at people's 32, he told you that Javier Bolden was in that photograph?
YM: Correct.
GS: And he never said Bryan Barnes was in that photograph?
YM: He said that 'BJ; and Bryan (Shay ?) looked similar but he couldn't tell because of the baseball caps.
JM: What is the significance of that they looked alike? ... He just said that they looked alike?
YM: Yes.
GS: You didn't document that in your progress log?
YM: Correct.
GS: You only documented things that are important or significant?

Detective Mansillas explains that she had two other officers with her that day, and they were doing other business interviews.

YM: I didn't have a recorder on me that day.
GS: What I mean is, you didn't indicate in your detective case progress logs that Mr. Hall commented that 'BJ' and Brian (Shay?) looked alike?
YM: No, I did not.
GS: And you returned to Mr. Hall's home the following day, correct?
YM: Yes.
GS: And you took, ... you showed him one single photograph?
YM: Correct.
GS: As an investigator, it's your job to, to try to get at the truth and not influence anyone in any way?
YM: Correct.
GS: And your (received?) training abut (showing?) protocols regarding showing witnesses photo packs and photograph line ups?
YM: I did receive training, yes.
GS: And did you read Mr. Hall any admonition regarding the photograph you showed him on February 22nd?
YM: I did not.
GS: Are there any protocols regarding LAPD, ... regarding reading admonitions prior to showing witnesses photos?
YM: I have now.

Detective Mansillas states she received her training in showing witnesses photos a couple of months ago.

YM: At the time, I did what I saw other detectives did.
GS: Are you saying you advised Mr. Hall you were there to eliminate or identify someone?
YM: Not in those words.
GS: Isn't it true that the first thing that you said:

Counsel reads from the transcript.
I only brought you one picture today. 
YM: Correct.

Counsel continues reading.
I only brought one picture today. That's because you knew this guy from ...
Um-hum
And you said high school, high school and all the other stuff.
GS: Is that what you said?
YM: Correct.
GS: Would it be fair to say the next thing you said, you were talking to his mother?
I was telling Timothy that he knows who these people are, so he could say, yeah, ... that's who the people are it's going to take five minutes.
GS: Is that what you said?
YM: Correct.
GS: And then you said:
We had that conversation yesterday about how you knew him?
YM: Correct.
GS: (You said:)
His brother, let me find that picture
YM: Correct.

Unfortunately, my notes here are a little difficult to interpret, as to what is part of the question, and what is part of the statements on the transcript. Sztraicher continues going over each statement Mansillas made to Hall.

GS: No where during that (conversation?) did you admonish him you were there to identify or eliminate?
YM: Correct.
GS: You took a photo to him... the only thing you were there with, for him to say if that was the person (you?) were talking about?
YM: Based on our prior conversation.
GS: The first thing that Mr. Hall did, he expressed uncertainly. Isn't that true?
YM: I think he was apprehensive.
GS: (Did he say) Is that him?
YM: The photo was on the coffee table, when he looked and looked at that and leaned forward.

Judge Marcus calls the afternoon break.  During the break, I believe Judge Marcus asks about other witnesses, civilian witnesses that were ordered back today. I believe Judge Marcus asks, "How can we just keep ordering people back?"  I believe the prosecution responds that they will take care of it.

3:14 PM
During the break, the older gentleman who was sitting to my right during testimony speaks about his nephew who was shot. From memory, he was not addressing me directly, but just speaking out loud. I know the LA Times reporter, Jill, sat down beside him and spoke to him. I wrote down what I heard him say.  I had put my laptop down and took notes on my notepad. His niece is a witness that is being order back again.  Here are the rough notes I have as to what the man said.
Shot my nephew three times. ... In the hospital a year later. ... It's her brother lying in the convalescent (hospital? home?).  Second shooting. ... He hasn't spoken in one and a half years. ... Should be dead. 
If the foreign exchange students hadn't got (shot?)  
In talking about the police investigating that shooting the uncle said:
We gave it to them. ... Gave stuff on Facebook ... and they didn't do anything. ... They didn't even.You have it on YouTube.  ... Mason Knight. ... Two shot in one night, 51st & Western.  ... Police didn't do nothing.   Tried to arrest (me?) trying to cross the line. ... I didn't even want to be here ... If they cared they would have taken our statements.  ... Came to the hospital four days later...
The gentleman did not want to give his name.  He said his name was not important.

Judge Marcus and counsel are at sidebar, regarding calling back witnesses. He doesn't want the defendants brought out yet. Now, Ms. D'Onofrio and Mr. Sztraicher are speaking with Bryan Barnes' mother.  Three witnesses are called back. One witness states that she needs a document for her employer that she has to go to court.  The court tells her that they will provide that. One witness is ordered back for tomorrow, another witness for Friday afternoon.

3:24 PM
The defendants are brought out. Their handcuffs are not attached to the chairs they are sitting in. They are kept handcuffed behind.

GS: I was approached by my client's mother who is present in court. She indicated a thing to me. I did not witness any of this (confrontation? information).  She indicated to me she observed the detective communicating to the witnesses family regarding photographs and there is a possible, ... suggesting a witness was given information that happened in court.  ... leave that up to the court to decide.

JM: Sounds really nebulous Mr. Sztraicher. What is it?
GS: She's talking to witness family. She's one of the people involved in the case.  ... I suppose to have the court admonish to not communicate with a witness or transmit information to third parties that might transmit the information to witnesses.
JM: Who did she talk to?
GS: I can inquire further. Because (?) family is already ...

It's Ms. Flowers. Her uncle has been sitting here all day.  I believe the people tell the court. It's the Flower family and that's on a charge that we haven't arrived at yet.  I believe Judge Marcus states, "I don't think you've been given me any broad inquiry ... that they've given them any information is a great leap ... or discuss things in court is a great leap. ... I will do that. You can bring her in."

Detective Carreon and Detective Mansillas reenter the courtroom. Detective Mansillas retakes the stand.  I believe the court addresses the witness.

JM: There is an indication that you are talking to a future witness in this case, and I don't know if you did or if you didn't. You're not allowed to discuss your testimony in this case with any other witnesses and you're not allowed to educate them or give them information that's been presented in this case. We have a no contact order. .... Do you understand? ... what happened ... because it was very vague as to what I was told. I'm telling you that is the rules.
GS: Thank you, your honor.  Detective Mansillas, earlier you testified, I believe during the course of your February 22nd audio tape interview that Mr. Hall said that Bryan Barnes was the shooter.
YM: He referred to him as 'BJ.'

The witness is asked where does Mr. Hall say the word 'shooter.'

YM: In the second interview, no.
GS: Correct. He never said that's the shooter?
YM: He never used those words, no.
GS: In fact...
JM: Where does he say anywhere in the transcript in words or otherwise?  (miss response)

GS: To be clear, isn't it true that all of your interviews with Mr. Hall, he never said he knew the Bryan Barnes ... ?
YM: (no?) ... that's correct.
GS: And he never said that he knew Bryan Barnes' sister?
YM: Correct.
GS: And he never said that he was more familiar with Bryan Barnes' family?
YM: Correct.
GS: And he indicated to you that on February 21st, that the shooter was wearing beige shorts and a white T-shirt?
YM: I think that was brought up during the December 5th interview at the hospital.
GS: And on December 5th, he indicated the shooter was wearing beige shorts and a white T-shirt?
YM: Yes.

GS: Thank you. No further questions.  Ask to strike all the testimony regarding Mr. Hall. Strike all of Ms Mansillas' testimony regarding Mr. Hall identifying Mr. Barnes as the shooter and two, based on the suggestive photo showing that she made where she did not ask Mr. (Hall) ... did not admonish Mr. Hall that he could identify or eliminate ... and I would argue that  and she in fact she told him to say "Yeah, yeah, that's who I was talking about."
JM: I'm not going to do that. ... I'm going to wait until I hear all the evidence. ... I do find that the identify procedures that were done here ... and doesn't comport with identification where you use "six packs" and that's all I'm going to say on the subject.

Ms. Jana Seng gets up to cross on behalf of Javier Bolden.  Ms. Mansillas states that her title is "Officer" not "Detective."

JS: Just want to clarify ... and your earlier statement, testimony had some corrections and you did make while on the stand. ... One of the (corrections?) regards to your interview on February 21st, 2012?
YM: Correct.
JS: Documents in a detective case log?
YM: Correct.

JS: When you said that you spoke with victim Hall at his residence, was that true?
YM: Yes.
JS: And this is your documentation of February 21st? ... And you further said you showed him in respect to the 'No Respect' party crew/gang?  (I believe Ms. Seng used the word "gang." Sprocket.)
YM: Correct.

Ms. Seng goes over the report and each specific thing she wrote.

JS: (You?) further wrote, 'BJ is Bryan Barnes?'
YM: No. That's where I said I had been .... (?) with brothers, and who Hall was more familiar with.
JS: Correcting, rather than Barnes, it should be Bolden?
YM: Yes.
JS: So the correct statement should be he knew Javier Bolden, and his mother's name is Denise (sp?)
YM: Correct.
JS: (You?) further go onto write, 'Hall is more familiar with the shooter,' should be, Hall is more familiar with the shooter's brother and his family. Is that correct?
YM: Yes.
JS: Meaning, that Mr. Hall was more familiar with Javier and his family, is that correct?
YM: Yes.
JS: And that Mr. Hall was not as familiar with the shooter is that correct?
YM: Correct.
JS: And when you presented one photograph to Mr. Hall on February 21st, it was a group photo of the crew...?
YM: Yes.
JS: And when Mr. Hall identified Mr. Javier, he said he was the brother of the shooter?
YM: Correct.
JS: In previous interviews did he ever say that Mr. Bolden was the shooter?
YM: No.
JS: Rather, he said that it was the brother, that was the shooter?
YM: Correct.

JS: In (the) interview on February 21st, did he ever say that it was Javier? ... Did he ever say that when he was getting shot at he saw Mr. Bolden?
YM: No.
JS: When you went back to see him on the 22nd, you brought another photo. Was that because he didn't identify the shooter?
YM: He didn't identify "BJ."
JS: So that's why you went back?
YM: Correct.

JS: Now going back to your conversation with Mr. Hall on December 5th, at the hospital. During your conversation, did he tell you there was ... Did Mr. Hall tell you that his cousin Bam had an argument with an individual named Bobby?
YM: I don't think it was phrased that way. ... I recall him stating that suspects were banging on Bam, and one of them he went to elementary school with.
JS: Did he tell you the party he had attended, that there was a strict dress code enforced?
YM: Yes. ... He said there was a dress code enforced and they were not allowed to wear baseball hats. He explained that people were wearing white T-shirts, but he didn't elaborate.

There is a question I believe, about whether or not Hall told her on December 5th,  that gangs were not allowed but I miss the answer.  Officer Mansillas interviewed Ms. ABC. After that interview, she made an attempt to secure video from a Denny's restaurant.

JS: Another question during the interview with Mr. Hall on December 5th, he indicated to you that there was one shooter, is that correct?
YM: Yes.
JS: And in subsequent interviews that was made to...

I miss the answer and there's one final question that I don't quite get.  The witness is excused and a new witness is called. DDA Akemon presents the witness.

8. LUIS VALLE.
LAPD uniformed officer assigned to the 77th Division.  Patrol officer, five and a half years.


DA: On February 12th, 2012, were you on patrol with Officer Whitfield (sp?)? ... Were you trained at the academy and given a proficiency (test?)?
LV: Yes sir.

The witness received a radio call to respond to 51st Street and Western.  He arrived at 12:29 AM.

LV: We observed a large crowd at 51st and Western Avenue. We approached. I observed a male black lying on 51st Street on the north sidewalk, just west of Western.  ... His head was toward the west and he was motionless. .. His upper body was covered in blood. ... Just west of him another female, black victim.

The female victim was Zanae Flowers. The male victim was Deionce Davance.

DA: Approximately how many people in that crowd?
LV: I'd say about 30 or 40.
DA: He (partner?) was attempting to control the crowd and control the scene.
LV: That's correct.

Photo, people's exhibit 36.  Its a photo of an overhead view of the scene.  DDA Akemon adds that all this testimony goes to count four and count five.  The witness recognizes the area. It's the northwest corner of 51st and Western where the incident took place.  The witness points to streets on the image and identifies them.

LV: The street north south is going to be Western. ... This is 51st Street. It's east west.
DA: So the top would be the north and the (?) side here would be the west. ... Is there a banquet hall in that location?
LV: (Garr Banquet Hall.)

On the corner, there is a transmission shop, J&R Transmission.  He saw a male, black, down and motionless. The witness points to the area in the photo where the person was. Just below J&R Transmission shop is where he indicated.  The female victim was in the alley, just east of a driveway off 51st Street.  The witness is asked to mark on people's 36 where Deionce Davance and Zanae Flowers were found.


DA: Did you see both of the people transported to the ambulance?
LV: Yes.
DA: After the ambulance left, did you further assist at the crime scene location?
LV: Yes.
DA: Were you tasked to canvas other witnesses for evidence and tasked to recover evidence?
LV: Yes.

Akemon goes over Officer Valle's report and the LAPD's DR number assigned to the case. An Officer McGreggor (sp?). Officer McGreggor found a spent ammo casing for a 9 millimeter. McGreggor pointed it out to Officer Valle.  Valle indicates on the image where the casing was found.

DA: Did Sargent Ortega (sp?) assist you in your canvas of evidence? .. Did Sargent Ortega tell you what she found?
LV: She found a life ammo round 9 millimeter.
DA: Did she point that out to you? (miss answer)

DA: Describe on the map where that was.
LV: Found north of the northwest corner, so right here.
DA: Pointing is just where the white sign is for the J&R Transmission Shop.

It's just below that rectangle (sign) just below the word shop on the sidewalk.

DA: Did you designate that as evidence item 2 in your report, DR 12 12 06793?
LV: Yes.
DA: After Sargent Ortega pointed out the live round that was on Western, did she point out another piece of evidence to you?
LV: Yes.  (Spent ammo casing, just near the victim Deionce Davance's body.
DA: Did you also indicate that item as evidence, item #3 and booked it under that DR number?
LV: (Yes.)

The witness marks on the exhibit where evidence items were located by the investigating officers, A 'C' is used to mark where a casing was found and "LR" is used to mark where a live round was found.  The witness is then asked to walk through the items he marked on the photo.  So they recovered two shell casings and one live round.

DA: The two 9 millimeter shell casings, those were pointed out to you by other officers...?
AG: Objection! Leading. (miss ruling)

LV: I recovered those items. I booked those items.
DA: Who booked those items?
LV: I booked those items.

Counsel for Bryan Barnes have no questions.  (This witness goes to count four and count five. Barnes is not charged in those counts. Sprocket.)  Andrew Goldman gets up to cross for defendant Javier Bolden.

AG: I have questions. I don't know this officer's availability. I will have Prop 115 questions of this witness ... We're talking about a Mr. Reece and a Mr. Carver.
JM: Are you calling these witnesses?
AG: No. I think they are impeach witnesses ... I think they impeach what the civilian witnesses (will say).
JM: You want to do it now, or after your witnesses are called? ... So do you have any questions based on what he testified to?
AG: Briefly.

AG: You testified you received the radio call regarding the shooting at approximately 25 minutes after midnight, February 12, 2012?
LV: Yes.
AG: Were you in a black and white?
LV: Yes, I was.
AG: Were you the driver?
LV: I don't recall. I can look at my report.
AG: You were with a partner?
LV: Yes.
AG: And that was Officer Whitfield?
LV: Yes.
AG: And when you responded to the scene, were there any other officers present?
LV: Yes.

AG: Can you approximate how ... first responder cars were there?
LV: I would say thee were about four officers and a (?) at that time.
AG: So, three police vehicles?
LV: That's correct.
AG: And you said there were approximately 30 or 40 people still milling around the area?
LV: That's correct.
AG: And had the area already been secured with crime scene tap?
LV: No.
AG: Were you part of the team that put it up?
LV: I was there when it happened.
AG: In terms of the area, people's 36, how much of that area was secured ... ?
LV: When I arrived there?
AG: When the yellow tape was put up?

The tape went up across the south side of Western past 51st Street. Then took it down just west of the alley on 51st Street, off the photo which would be west of the alley.

AG: And the people milling around, where they inside or outside that area?
LV: They were pretty much everywhere.
AG: You canvased and also spoke to witnesses?
LV: That's correct.
AG: You prepared a police report in connection to the shooting of February 12th, 2012, at approximately 25 minutes after midnight of 51st and Western?
LV: Yes.
AG: Did you review that report prior to testifying in court today?
LV: (Yes.)
AG: Did you find it to be a true and accurate account of events? ... Everything in it true and accurate?
LV: Yes.
AG: In addition to collection of evidence, you testified that you actually collected the evidence and (tagged?) and found the evidence?
LV: Correct.
AG: So you secured, they told you they found something, then you recovered and booked the evidence?

He recovered evidence item 2 and and evidence item 3.  Item 3 had two pieces of evidence; two casings.

AG: In addition to collecting evidence, you also spoke to a number of witnesses that evening?
LV: Correct.
AG: You reviewed your notes regarding those interviews?
LV: Yes.
AG: And those were true and correct regarding those witnesses?
LV: Yes.
DA: No redirect.

Judge Marcus tells the room that he has a hearing all morning on Friday. After Thursday, they would not be able to pick up the prelim back again until probably 2 PM on Friday.   Judge Marcus doesn't think they will get to call this witness before then. Judge Marcus asks if there isn't any way to stipulate to the witnesses that he interviewed.  He then addresses the witness.

JM: Officer Valle, I apologize. We're going to need you on Monday. You're ordered to return to my court.

I believe Judge Marcus has another quick hearing Monday morning. He asks counsel if they are done for today. He has to prepare for the Friday morning hearing again. Orders everyone back at 9 AM tomorrow, then changes his mind and says 8:45 AM to 8:50 AM.

Continued in Day 4.....

Joshua Woodward Preliminary Hearing Expected to Start

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UPDATE 10:41 PM edited for spelling, clarity
UPDATE 5:00 PMThe victim's name was said in court, but it has been changed to protect her privacy. Sprocket.

Restaurateur Joshua Woodward's preliminary hearing is expected to start in a downtown Los Angeles courtroom today.  Woodward is charged with four counts of attempted murder on a fetus.  You can read the charges HERE.

Woodward has been out on 4 million bail since his arrest in 2009. 

8:58 AM
I'm inside Dept. 30.  Judge Torrealba has not taken the bench yet.  As I entered, I saw a few of Woodward's counsel against the back wall. I do not see DDA Habib Balain in the courtroom yet.  I will have an update as soon as the case is assigned a courtroom.

12:20 AM

The case has been transferred to Dept. 51, Judge Pastor's courtroom. Judge Pastor oversaw the Conrad Murray trial and Cameron Brown's second trial.  He's an excellent judge.

Habib Balian and Marguerite Rizzo are prosecuting the case.  Their investigator sitting at the people's table is Detective Kimberly Fairchild.

Woodward has considerable counsel with him today.  Janet Levine is the lead defense attorney. The has three other attorneys assisting her (two at the defense table and two in the well) and three to five clerk staff sitting in the gallery with note pads.  The case files they brought with them were six file boxes. An elderly looking couple with gray hair entered the court room soon after the defense set up at their table.  I assume these are Woodward's parents.

Jill from the LA Times was here for most of the morning session.

DDA liani presented the prosecution's first witness, LAPD Detective Supervisor, John Shafia, who led the investigation. His testimony so far has been to document his interviews with Ms. Doe, the individual who has made the claim against Woodward, that through use of a powdery substance, he caused her to abort her pregnancy.

Ms. Doe told Detective Shafia that she has known Woodward for about 10 years. Ms. Doe first met the defendant at Saddle Ranch Restaurant where she worked as a bartender.  They became friends and it eventually developed into an intimate relationship. From about 2004 through 2008 they had an on and off dating relationship.  She ended the relationship in July or August of 2008 because of Woodward's lack of commitment to a serious relationship.

Doe told Detective Shafia that Woodward lived on the east coast. He was a restaurant owner in an eatery called Table 8, now known as 8 oz. Burger.
 
The next time Ms. Doe saw Woodward was in August 2009 when he came to Los Angeles. They had sexual intercourse. Subsequently, she found out she was pregnant and informed the defendant in the 3rd or 4th week of August 2009.

Doe told Detective Shafia that when she informed Woodward, his reaction was, "... his face turned pitch red and his eyes started watering."  Doe told Shafia that Woodward's first response was, "Are you going to get an abortion?" Doe told Woodward she was not going to get an abortion. She was going to have the baby. She had an abortion years ago and she wouldn't go through that again.  Doe told Shafia that Woodward's response was, she "needed to have an abortion."  Woodward also told Doe, "You can't do this to me."  Detective Shafia testified Doe told him that Woodward's next explanation was, "Oh my God. My Dad's an alcoholic."  That last statement was objected to by Ms. Levine. Judge Pastor sustained the objection and the answer was stricken.

Detective Shafia testified that Doe told him Woodward made references to his family, and if they found out he had a baby out of wedlock, they couldn't handle it.  He also mentioned money problems.  Doe told the detective that Woodward asked her to have an abortion several times.  Woodward told Doe she could take a couple of pills; she could have kids in the future and it was real simple.

There was more testimony about Doe and Woodward's conversations about her pregnancy. She was gong to take responsibility for the baby. She didn't care what Woodward thought. It wasn't about what was easy, it was about her desire to have a child. Doe told Woodward she didn't want financial help. She had insurance and things were going well for her.  Woodward asked her if she would put that in writing. Woodward wanted her to tell his friends and all her friends that she was artificially inseminated.  She got upset and called him a psycho. He was stressing her and she asked him to leave.

In the middle of September she was Woodward again. His attitude had changed in text messages and in phone calls. He was more like he used to be. He was accepting of the situation. He was acting outwardly like he wanted to be part of her decision.

At one point, he met her at The Grove, a shopping mall. He bought her a Jamba Juice and she drank about half of it.  Afterwards, she felt visibly sick and started to throw up.  She continued to throw up for about 30 minutes.  Doe told Detective Shafia the vomiting was more severe than just morning sickness.

Before October 17th, she heard from the defendant again. Woodward was going to be in Los Angeles. They had been in contact via phone and text messages.  She was at work, couldn't talk. Woodward asked to see her. She said she needed to get something to eat after work and he offered to make something for her at his restaurant, a burger.  He came over to her apartment in the early morning hours of the 17th. They ended up in bed and started foreplay.

Doe told Detective Shafia that at some point, while touching her around her vagina, he then reached into a backpack that was beside the bed.  He then touched her in an unusual way, of touching her vagina.  Doe told Detective Shafia that Woodward put his fingers inside her vagina.  Doe though his actions were unusual, but at the time she thought that maybe he was struggling with erectile dysfunction, so she went along with it. Doe wasn't sure what he was doing, but thought it was something to give him a 'hard on.'  He had never brought a backpack to her apartment before.

Eventually he left. He returned in the early morning hours of October 18th.  They engaged in sexual activity again.  In a similar fashion to the morning before, they engaged in foreplay.  This time, instead of one time reaching into the backpack, it happened four times.  Woodward reached into his backpack, then placed his fingers inside of her, then he went to the restroom. That cycle repeated four times.

(I will have an update as to the rest of the morning's testimony and the afternoon's testimony later tonight. Sprocket.)

10:24 PM
I apologize.  Long day.  Responsibilities to Mr. Sprocket's business kept me from updating my notes this evening.

Detective Shafia's testimony was interrupted to take an out-of-town witness. Dr. Jessica Kingston was the people's second witness for the afternoon session.  DDA Marguerite Rizzo presented the witness. Dr. Kingston is an expert witness who reviewed 51 pages of Ms. Doe's medical records, as well as various investigative reports and interviews by detectives with Ms. Doe.

At the end of her direct testimony, Dr. Kingston gave her expert opinion in the cause of Ms. Doe's miscarriage.  Dr. Kingston's opinion ws that it was "highly unlikely" that the miscarriage was a natural event.  In her opinion, Ms. Doe's miscarriage wad due to an abortification, specifically the drug misoprostol.

Due to scheduling issues with defense counsel and the witness, Dr. Kingston's cross examination will continue on November 18th, 2013, afternoon session.  Two expert witnesses will be called first tomorrow, then continuing with Detective Shafia's direct testimony.  It's expected that the preliminary hearing will be completed on November 18th.

11:05 PM
Woodward's defense team is from the law firm of Crowell & Moring.  Sitting with Ms. Levine at the defense table is Kelly T. Currie, who is based in New York.  Currie's cross examination of Dr. Kingston was extremely thorough.

To be continued....

Mainstream Media Articles

NY Daily News - Former NY Restaurant owner Joshua Woodward, released on bail

Bail Motion Documents at LA Times

Miami.com - Woodward Signs Deal to open Asian Restaurant

Joshua Woodward Preliminary Hearing, Day 2

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October 22nd, 2013
7:55 AM
I'm taking the train into downtown Los Angeles today.

Here are a few additional notes from yesterday.  Before the prelim started, Judge Pastor addressed counsel to get them a bit more familiar with the LA County Superior Court, and his courtroom.  Judge Pastor said that things are a bit more "relaxed" here than they are across the street. (He was referring to Federal Court.) Counsel do not have to stand when making objections or questioning witnesses. From memory, I believe lead Defense attorney Janet Levine said it might be difficult for her because she's so used to standing but she would try.

When defense attorney Kelly Currie began his cross examination of prosecution expert witness Dr. Jessica Kingston, he took the podium over to an area behind the defense table to address the witness.

Local TV Station KCAL 9 put in a request for video, audio and still photography but a reporter from the network did not show up yesterday. Ms. Levine stated that they would object. The defense put in a request for advance notice if there was to be media (video/photography) coverage. The court indicated the request was faxed on October 18th. Judge Pastor indicated Dept. 51 was dark on October 18th.  "At this juncture, I'm going to deny without prejudice. Request for still (photography?) and camera coverage denied," the court ruled.

In earlier pretrial motions (argued before the case was assigned to Judge Pastor), I believe the defense raised a Brady issue. (I believe I have the correct law referenced, but I'm not positive. Sprocket.) I believe this refers to Detective Shafia. Twenty six complaints were turned over. A large majority were unfounded but four or five were sustained. The defense will seek to question the detective on them. Many are from the 1980's.  One is 29 years old; others 19 years old. The court rules that these will be addressed through cross examination. Judge Pastor will see if the issues are relevant at that time.

1:00 PM
DDA Balian calls their third witness, Dr. Timothy Tsui  (pronounced Sue-ee).  Dr. Tsui is an OBGYN who has been in practice 11.5 years. He gives his CV. He graduated in 1988 from the University of Illinois. He did his residency at Cedars Sinai.  After his residency he was hired by Cedars where his practice is today.

On October 8th, 2009, Dr. Tsui saw Ms. Doe as a patient for the first time.  She was coming in for her first obstetrician visit. She was given an ultrasound first then brought into Dr. Tsui's office to sit down and meet with her.  He obtained a medical history from her and entered those notes into a digital computer system.  Dr. Tsui does not specifically remember the patient since he only saw her once or twice and it was four years ago.

Dr. Tsui was questioned about what his normal practices were in questioning patients, the specific questions he would ask regarding their medical history, lifestyle use of tobacco, recreational drugs, etc., as well as how the patient's answers would be documented in their medical file.

The specific tests that Ms. Doe received on that date and a subsequent date were reviewed.

Dr. Tsui was also asked about the ultrasound Ms. Doe was given on October 8th, the estimated age of the fetus at that time (11 weeks, 1 day).  Questions were also asked about an ultrasound Ms. Do received on October 19th, where the ultrasound showed Ms. Do no longer had a gestational sac.

The witness was cross examined by defense attorney Kelly T. Currie, who chose to stand at a podium by the defense table for his examination.  Dr. Currie had a recollection of meeting (law enforcement) in his office back in 2009, and that one of the individuals was a woman.  Dr. Currie testified that the meeting did not cause him to reconsider his treatment of the patient nor did it influence his testimony today.

The next witness called by the state is Dr. Sandra Rodriguez-Cruz. She is a senior forensic chemist employed by the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA).  Dr. Rodriguez-Cruz is an attractive woman and slightly reminds me of actress Penelope Cruz. She has been employed by the DEA for 11.5 years. She gave an extensive CV. She is the senior author or co-author on 15 publications.

Dr. Rodriguez-Cruz received three different evidence packages that originated from the LAPD for her to analyze.  In two of the packages, through extensive, strictly controlled testing procedures with several different testing methods, Dr. Rodriguez-Cruz identified the drug misoprostol.

At the lunch break, the witness was still under cross examination by Mr. Currie.

To be continued in Day 2, Part II......

Joshua Woodward Preliminary Hearing, Day 2, Part II

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Tuesday, October 22nd, 2013
1:30 PM
In the afternoon session, Mr. Currie continued his cross examination of Dr. Rodriguez-Cruz. After the witness was excused, the people recalled Detective John Shafia.  DDA Balian picked up his direct examination where he left off.

(On Monday, Detective Shafia gave the following testimony. Sprocket)
Around 1 AM on October 25th, 2009, Detective Shafia and his partner Officer Hernandez were in a vehicle parked in a KFC parking lotnear the corner of Hauser Blvd. and West 3rd Street.  They were waiting to spot Joshua Woodward near Ms. Doe's apartment complex.  At 3:15 AM they observed the defendant walking west bound on the sidewalk.  They intercepted Mr. Woodward. Officer Hernandez had exited the vehicle, addressed the defendant and asked, "Are you Joshua Woodward." Detective Shafia heard Woodward reply, "Yes." The witness then observed the defendant place both hands into his pockets as if to get identification.  Then the defendant turned slightly to the right and pulled his hands out of his pockets.  He then observed the defendant rubbing, or grinding his right hand into his pants just below the pocket.  Detective Shafia didn't see anything in the defendant's hand at that time. He then observed a small piece of clear plastic fall to the ground out of the defendant's hand. To Detective Shafia, it appeared like the defendant was grinding something into his pants. Detective Shafia immediately grabbed Woodward's left hand. He then pushed Woodward back into Officer Hernandez. This move was to separate the defendant from the dropped item. Detective Shafia asked the defendant, "Joshua, what was that in your hand?"
(Now we pick up Detective Shafia's continuing direct testimony for Tuesday afternoon. Sprocket)

Detective Shafia observed that the defendant dropped something on the ground and asked him what that was. The defendant did not give a response.

People's exhibit #13, a photo Detective Shafia took of the defendant near the corner of 3rd Street and Fuller Avenue.  Detective Shafia points out the white spot on the sidewalk, identifying this is the object the defendant dropped.    People's exhibit #14, is a close up photo of the white speck in the previous photo. The item is a cellophane plastic that had a white powdered substance.  As it fell on the ground, some of the substance fell on the sidewalk.

People's exhibit #15, photo of lower front torso of the defendant.  Detectie Shafia observed what appeared to be a white powder on the defendant's jeans, just below the right front pocket. People's exhibit #16, same photo with reflecting flash spot removed, showing the same white markings in people's #15.  Judge Pastor asks, "Was it a baggie?"  The witness responds, "It was folded plastic cellophane."

Detective Shafia recovered the item, placed them in a clear glass vial he retrieved from the trunk of his vehicle. He eventually booked this item into evidence as item #17.  Officer Hernandez attempted to use a swab to collect a sample of the substance off of the defendant's jeans.  The people's next exhibit is a photo of Hernandez's hand with a swab stick on the defendant's jeans. Officer Hernandez was not wearing gloves while attempting to swab the jeans. Hernandez told Detective Shafia that afterwards, he was experiencing itchy, numb fingers on his right hand.

Woodward was arrested, booked and processed.  During the regular course of the booking process, the defendant was asked a set of 17 questions related to his medical treatment.  It's a standard medical screening procedure.  The defense objects to these questions on several grounds, one of them being Miranda.  I believe the prosecution tells the court that the purpose of the questions are to screen for medical treatment, or if the defendant needs to see a doctor.  Judge Pastor tells counsel that he doesn't want to get into voir dire. I believe the defense continues that the questions were given after Miranda, and that there are other Miranda issues regarding the arrest.

I believe it's DDA Balian who argues to the court that the series of 17 questions on the LAPD screening form are not subject to Miranda. Balian agrees that the defendant did invoke at some point.  Judge Pastor over rules the objection at this point, but also adds that it's subject to a later motion to strike.

The defendant indicated that he did not have any medical condition.  I believe the defense objects on grounds of 3rd level of hearsay.  Detective Shafia testifies that Officer Hernandez was asking the defendant the medical questions.   The defendant was asked if he was prescribed medication, and he answered no.  The defendant was asked if he received medical care from any other source, and he replied no.

At some point in the investigation, Detective Shafia went to 7661 West Melrose, the defendant's restaurant, 'Table 8" (aka 8 oz. Burger Bar). (Although the question isn't specifically asked, I suspect the detectives served a search warrant on the restaurant. Sprocket.) Detectives seized from the office of the restaurant, a black backpack.  Inside the backpack they found a brown leather travel bag, a laptop, some pills in a zip up foam bag along with other items.  People's exhibit #19, a photo of a black backpack.  People's exhibit 20, a photo of the backpack opened.  A laptop was recovered from the backpack.  Detective Shafia points out the laptop in exhibit 20.  The laptop, power cord and an external hard drive were all booked into evidence as items 26, 27 and 28.   Inside the backpack were various documents bearing the name of Joshua Woodward, such as credit cards, air line ticket stubs, and a some sort of transcript document in the names of the defendant and Suzy Buckley.

People's exhibit #21, photo of a camera case recovered from the backpack.  Inside the camera case were two Ziplock baggies containing pills.   Ms. Levine is asking the people for the Bates stamp page for the property report.  People's exhibit #22 is a photo showing the opened camera case and the two Ziplock bags containing pills.  People's exhibit #23 is another photo of just the two Ziplock bags containing pills.

Detective Shafia testifies there were a total of 22 pills.  19 pills were white, 3 were blue.  They were separated into two baggies.  Two white pills in one bag, the rest of the pills in another. The white pills were booked into evidence as items #18.  Detective Shafia states the date they were booked into evidence was October 25th, although the property report says they were booked on October 23rd. The witness is certain they were booked on October 25th.

Under Prop 115, Detective Shafia interviewed LAPD employee Kirk Hunter in the presence of DDA Balian and DDA Rizzo on October 9th, 2013.   I believe the defense has an issue with this interview. The court responds, "I'm not aware of this date."  Ms. Levine tells the court that she asked for any and all detective notes.  It appears the defense did not receive any documents on this interview. DDA Balian tells the court, "Yes, I was supposed to inquire, and I forgot. ... I apologize your honor."

Judge Pastor tells counsel they will take the afternoon break so they can get this straightened up.

2:34 PM
The afternoon break is called. I notice there are several small stuffed animals on top of the file cabinet that sits in-between the bailiff's desk and the door to the jail holding area.  I see that DDA Rizzo is trying to get the detective's note pages copied and handed to the defense as quickly as she can. I believe Ms. Levine asks Ms. Rizzo why she is the one who is getting the documents copied. I'm not positive, but I believe the explanation Ms. Rizzo gives is the people's assigned clerk is out today.  Once Ms. Levine and Mr. Currie have a copy of the notes, I see Woodward leaning over Ms. Levine's shoulder to read the notes.

2:55 PM 
Judge Pastor retakes the bench. Ms. Levine puts on the record what she has received from the people. DDA Balian continues with his direct examination of Detective Shafia.

Detective Shafia did speak with Officer Fuentes (sp?) regarding his activities on October 19th, 2009. He met with Ms. Doe and recovered two pair of underwear and booked into evidence as items #1 & #2.  Teresa Alejandro (sp?) from the LAPD, retrieved from the property room and recovered from both pieces of underwear a white powder.  Ms. Alejandro re-booked the powder from evidence item #1 as evidence item #15 and the powder from evidence item #2 as evidence item #16. The powder from #1 and #2 became new evidence item numbers.  All were booked under the DR #09 07 18890.

Continuing with Detective Shafia's interview of Kirk Hunter, a police officer for the City of LA for 27 years. His current assignment is to work with the US Secret Service Computer Forensics.  Detective Hunter has been assigned to that unit for 13 years.  His specialty is a computer examiner. Detective Hunter described his job as 'Seized Computer Digital Recovery Specialist.'  His job is to recover data on computers.  He gave his CV to Detective Shafia.  Detective Hunter has had 1,000 hours of training and has been programming since 1978 when he was in the Marine Corp.  He worked for Magnavox as a senior computer programmer.  He has had quite a bit of hands on experience. In his career he has analyzed hundreds of computers and testified in court 10 times as a forensic computer expert.

Detective Shafia then went into detail, the steps that Detective Hunter takes to retrieve data from a computer.  He visually examines the computer and copies down any model or serial numbers on the device. He then removes the hard drive and attaches a "write blocker."  This secured the hard drive from changes to the operating system or any programs he may use. He then makes a mirror copy of the hard drive.  He verifies that the mirror copy is an exact copy and in working order.  He then works with the mirror copy.  In his work process, he uses software to determine the Internet searches that were made on that computer.  People's exhibit #26 is a photo of an apple laptop computer.

DDA Balian asks, "Did Detective Hunter tell you ... (what?) he found on the hard drive, and who may have used it?
JL: Objection! Beyond scope.

I believe Ms. Levine argues that Detective Shafia can tell what Detective Hunter found, but it's not part of the forensics exam who it belongs to.  The objection is sustained.

Detective Hunter found files and documents on the hard drive in the name of Joshua Woodward.  A user ID associated with this computer was 'Josh."

Detective Hunter also examined evidence item #28, the external hard drive.  He used similar procedures as for the laptop, except he did not need to remove the hard drive.  He placed a "write blocker" on the hard drive and made a mirror image. He then analyzed the image. On the external hard drive he found similar files and exact copy files as the laptop.  Detective Hunter found words that matched under a Firefox browser history bar. He found a file folder that said 'Joshua Woodward computer.'

Detective Hunter ran program(s?) to search the laptop for Internet browsing history.  The initial search terms he used were "abortion,""misoprostol" and "cytotec."  Those were the initial search terms. Later, he searched for "unwanted pregnancy."  Detective Hunter searched the area of the computer that records the keys that are punched into a search engine. The terms and words were the actual keystrokes made to search.  The user ID name 'Josh' was the one that performed these searches.

For the next set of questions, there were several objections by the defense.  Most were sustained by Judge Pastor, as to the form of the question. Finally, the questioning entered a phrasing that wasn't objected to.  Detective Shafia testified that Detective Hunter was not searching the computer for a specific date, but looking at search engine activity over a period of time.

3:25 PM
There were a number of Internet searches spanning almost two months that Detective Shafia testified Detective Hunter found.  All the Internet searches presented were under the user ID 'Josh' using a Firefox browser. 

(I tried to write down every search exactly as I heard it along with the date and exact keystroke time of the search. I wasn't always successful.  The list below is the best I could do. Some words were misspelled in the searches. I've typed the misspellings that I got correctly. Other words that were misspelled but I didn't get the exact keystrokes correct, are underlined. Sprocket.)

08/26/09 22:30:?? - "fertility law" - "LA"- "mens advocate"
08/26/09 22:32:42 - "paternity lawyer" - "LA"
08/26/09 22:44:04 - does a man have any rights to prevent a woman from having his child
08/26/09     ??        - "unwanted pregnancy" - legal rights men
??                ??        - what men have done to end pregnancies
08/27/09?    ??        - how to coonvince a woman to have an abortion
08/27/09      ??        - ways men have forced abortions
08/27/09?     ??       - black market - RU486 - usa
08/28/09 01:26:06 - accidentally terminate pregnancy
08/28/09 01:45:20 - evil ways to terminate a pregnancy
08/28/09 01:49:22 - drugs that (induce?) miscariages
08/28/09 02:00:36 - misoprostol
08/28/09 03:16:?? - black market pharmaceuticals"Los Angeles"
08/29/09 ??:23:26 - how long do pharmaceuticals last in the blood stream
08/31/09     ??       - cytotec
08/31/09     ??       - cytotec uses
09/05/09 12:43:17 - cytotec miscarriage
10/09/09 ??:38:?? - is RU486 legal in Mexico
10/11/09 19:??:?? - inserting tablets vaginally
10/11/09 19:30:45 - inserting cytotec
10/11/09 19:39:46 - misoprostol insertion
10/16/09      ??      - cytotec dosage
10/16/09 22:02:12 - how do you insert pills vaginally
10/16/09      ??       - "screen for cytotec" - blood
10/18/09 15:??:29 - misoprostol vaginally inserted - "second trimester"
10/18/09      ??      - vaginally insert (?) - abortion - "how long"
10/18/09      ??      - misoprostol - "minimum dosage" - vaginally inserted - abortion - "how long"
10/18/09      ??      - how long does it take cytotec to work?
10/20/09      ??      - can you tell right away if misoprostol abortion worked
10/20/09      ??      - safest way to knocksomeone out
10/20/09      ??      - chloroform
10/20/09      ??      - how long does it take cytotec to dissolve?

There were other searches found in addition to the ones presented in court.  People's exhibit #24, a computer print out of the Internet searches.  The report was generated at the completion of Detective Hunter's examination of the laptop.  Detective Shafia states what Detective Hunter told him about the various columns on the report and what they mean.

3:55 PM
The direct examination is completed and Janet Levine gets up to cross. Before Ms. Levine ever starts, Judge Pastor is looking at the clock. He doesn't expect she will be finished in 20 minutes.  Ms. Levine expects several hours of cross.  The issue is the scheduling, that was discussed at the end of court on Monday. Judge Pastor wants to get that scheduling settled now so they do not go into overtime.  Detective Shafia's cross will continue on the morning of November 18th.  On the afternoon of the 18th, they will take the rest of Dr. Kingston's cross exam.  On November 19th, they will finish with Detective Schafia (if it is not completed by Monday at noon) and also take the testimony of Detective Kimberly Fairchild.  All counsel agree that they should be completed with testimony on November 19th.

Exactly like her co-counsel did, Ms. Levine introduces herself to the witness and states that she represents Joshua Woodward.  She also asks the witness if there is any question that they don't understand to let her know and she will repeat it.  Ms. Levine then asks the witness to close his document file. She wants him to testify from memory.  From the very beginning of her cross examination, Ms. Levine's questioning style is markedly different than Mr. Currie.  While Mr. Currie's questioning of the three state's experts was measured and even toned, Ms. Levine's cross was more like what I would expect a cross examination would be, adversarial. I clearly remember during one point in the cross examination, when the detective stated he would need to look at his notes to give Ms. Levine an exact date, she told him she wanted to exhaust his memory, first.

She asks if he had looked at documents related to this case prior to his testimony.  Detective Shafia states that he reviewed the notes of his interview with Detective Hunter, (people's exhibit #24).

Ms. Levine asks how long did he meet with Detective Hunter.  Detective Shafia and the prosecution team met with Detective Hunter on October 9th, 2013.  They met at the building where Detective Hunter works near 7th Street & Figueroa. The meeting was about an hour. This was the only time that the witness spoke to Detective Hunter in this case. I miss the question, but Detective Shafia also mentions that he knows Detective Hunter's father and had worked with him.  Ms. Levine made a reference to Detective Shafia possibly working or interacting with Detective Hunter's son, a multigenerational connection.


JL: Did you ask him about searches of Ms. Doe's computer?
JS: (I?) ... knew there was a search but did not know who did it or what for.

Ms. Levine asks if he marked a copy of people's 24, the copy that he was using during his direct examination. I believe he states that he made a copy of people's 24 and highlighted on his copy.  The defense asks that a copy of the document he used be marked as people's 24A.  This will be so marked. They will release it (to the DA's office) after court to get copies made. Judge Pastor tells counsel that the court system is financially stressed to the point that they cannot even make these copies.

Ms. Levine asks the witness what other meetings or conversations he had with the two DA's prosecuting the case.

JS: I did meet with the DA on occasion, to outline (my) duties ... I met with Detective (Fuentes?) ... no, discussed with Detective Fuentes (on the phone) ...
JL: Did you converse (or have electronic communication) with either two district attorney's in court?
JS: I don't recall having electronic communication ... I believe we talked on the phone...

Detective Shafia believes that each and every conversation was with both (Ms. Rizzo & Mr. Balian).

JS: No more than five (phone conferences).
JL: How many months ago ... ?
JS: ... last few months ... last time ... closest to today ... four to five days ago.

Ms. Levine asks about his preparation to know details about Detective Hunter and Ms. Doe so he can testify under Prop. 115.  The Fuentes request (to present under Prop. 115) came up afterwards, in court.  He interviewed Officer Fuentes on October 18th, on the phone. Detective Shafia states the conversation lasted "about ten minutes." The witness did not take any notes of that interview.  Detective Shafia details the parts of the case file he used to prepare for his testimony. Among the things he used, he had the arrest report, follow up reports, hand notes (transcript of interview with Ms. Doe) and the video itself.   Detective Shafia gave everything to Detective Fairchild.

JL: Detective Fairchild ... on the case November 1st, 2009?
JS: ... approximately the first part of November.

Ms. Levine asks if his notes spanned a four year period? I believe Detective Shafia states he didn't do anything following the transfer of the case to Detective Fairchild.  Ms. Levine questions whether he turned over all evidence in the case.  There is an issue about two photographs that were or were not turned over (to the defense?). Detective Shafia states the entire case file was turned over to Detective Fairchild. I believe he adds that those two photos were a part of that file.  I believe Ms. Levine asks if he didn't remember them from her previous question. Detective Shafia responds, "... forgot to tell you that right now..."  It took Detective Shafia about a month to transition the case from the homicide unit to the child abuse unit.

Detective Shafia recovered from the defendant a blackberry (phone?).  It was booked into the Wilshire Division property lock-up.

JL: Have you talked to anyone else about the case?
JS: I talked to my supervisor.

JL: Have you spoken with Ms. Doe in the last month or two?
JS: No.
JL: ... email... ?
JS: No.
JL: Do you use social media?
JS: No.

JL: Did you look at Ms. Doe's social media? ... (miss response)
JL: Did you look up misoprostol or anything like that on the Internet in the last month?
People: Objection!
JP: Sustained.

It's very close to 4:15 PM. Judge Pastor interrupts the cross examination to ask the defense counsel about an earlier statement (I believe the statement Judge Pastor makes is "..there are a lot of Miranda issues here.."). Judge Pastor appears concerned that counsel is raising this issue now.  He tells counsel that if there are any such issues, he would have counsel prepare a motion.  I believe Ms. Levine tells the court they will file a brief before the 18th of November.

Judge Pastor explains that the people would need to be able to respond before then.  A ten day period is given then Judge Pastor asks if they could prepare their brief in seven days.  Ms. Levine turns around, faces the gallery and tells the court, she's "looking at the person who's going to write it" to see if they can get the motion completed in seven days. It's a slender man with graying hair and boyish looks. It looks like the answer is yes. The defense motion is due by October 29th at 4 :00 PM.  The people are first offered 10 days for their response but are given seven days. Their response is due on November 5th. The defense will have until November 7th at 4:00 PM to file their reply.  We are recessed until 9:00 AM on November 18th.

Judge Pastor then called counsel up to the bench for a side bar.  And that was the end of court for this day.

To be continued on November 18th....

(Note: I will have extended notes covering Day 1 of the prelim up as soon as I can get to transcribing them. Sprocket.)

Cameron Brown 3rd Trial, Pretrial 12

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 Inspiration Point, Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

UPDATED 10/26: 7:00 AMrest of the proceeding added
UPDATED 1:00 PM clarity, spelling
 
October 25th, 2012
8:20 AM

I’m back on the 9th floor of the downtown Los Angeles criminal court building, my ‘home away from home’ so to speak.  Already here on the ninth floor is Cameron Brown’s wife, Patty Brown.  I see she had one of her legs up on the cement benches, relaxing.

For new readers who are unfamiliar with the case, Brown allegedly threw his four-year-old daughter, Lauren Sarene Key, off a 120 ft. cliff in Rancho Palos Verdes, CA on November 8th, 2000.  Prosecutors believe Brown hated the child’s mother and killed Lauren to avoid paying child support. He is awaiting his third trial.  His first two trials ended in hung juries. Currently, the criminal proceedings are on a 1368 hold while Brown’s competency to stand trial is determined.  A few months ago, Brown informed the court he wanted to pursue representing himself.  His current court appointed counsel, Aron Laub wrote a declaration to the court, in an effort to block Brown from seeking self representation.


8:29 AM

I see Brown’s defense counsel clear security and head down this way. Laub heads directly to Patty and she hands him some papers that are from her husband.

At 8:30 the courtroom opens and I head inside. I'll have an update later this evening on today's proceedings.

8:37 AM
Before court opened, DDA Hum had arrived in the hallway with an attractive, younger assistant.  After Dept. 107 opened, we all went inside.   It appears there is another case that will be heard. There's a man in a wheelchair with tattoos on each side of his neck, just behind his ears. I don't know if he's a defendant or a witness.

8:39 AM
Judge Lomeli comes out and addresses counsel. "We're ready? Let's do it."  Laub and Hum head back to Judge Lomeli's chambers. I stand up to peek over the the prosecution table and see that the court reporter's equipment is still inside the courtroom. This tells me the in camera session with the judge is off the record.

Patty Brown is sitting to my left. She turns to me and says, "Excuse me. Do you know what date we were last here?"  I tell her I need to check my computer.  I open my laptop and look at the Quick Links page. I tell her, "September 20th.""Thank you," she replies.

There are a few counsel who have entered the courtroom.  A man from the DA's office comes in pushing a tall, stainless steel rolling cart.  He sets it by the prosecution table and then goes to the back of the courtroom to chat with another tall, bald headed defense attorney wearing a black suit and pink tie. At some point, the bailiff brings in a suit that is draped over one of the chairs at the defense table. I don't see any notebooks on the chairs in the jury box, so I'm wondering why a defendant would be getting into civilian clothes if there's no jury.  It could be for a sentencing.

Another prosecutor enters and sits at the people's table. Another defense attorney I've seen around the courthouse enters, greets the two counsel by the courtroom door then heads over to check in with the clerk.

8:50 AM
Judge Lomeli, DDA Hum and Mr. Laub come out from chambers. Judge Lomeli informs the bailiff to bring Brown out.  The bailiff tells the judge that he's on another floor and it will be another ten minutes.  Mr. Laub exits the courtroom. Judge Lomeli has a conversation with the prosecutor on the other case where he's reading to make a ruling on one of their motions.  Judge Lomeli then chats with the defense attorney in the black suit about a case he has in another courthouse.  Judge Lomeli comments, "It's an interesting case."

The man in the wheelchair is a witness. He's ordered back for another date.

9:00 AM
Mr. Laub reenters Dept. 107. Judge Lomeli goes on the record in the other case. The hearing is brief. Terri Keith from City News drops in. She had heard there was a 1368 hearing.

Judge Lomeli is having a friendly chat with his bailiff about the bailiff in the adjoining court, Dept. 108, Judge Ohta's courtroom.  It appears that Judge Ohta's bailiff is leaving the building and a new bailiff will be assigned. Judge Lomeli's bailiff tells the court he wants to make sure the new guy assigned is someone he gets along with.

9:10 AM
On the record with People v. Brown.  Counsel state their appearances for the record.  Judge Lomeli starts off by communicating directly to the defendant. "Mr. Brown, we have a real problem here."

It appears that Dr. Knapke went down to the jail a second time and Brown refused to talk to him.  Dr. Knapke can't make an evaluation without talking to the defendant. Brown's status as 1368 will not change without his cooperation. No one can declare that Brown is competent except the doctor. Judge Lomeli continues, "Without your cooperation you are going to remain in that status. ... To me, you seem to be pretty competent. ... Every time you are in front of me, you appear to be competent and know what is going on. ... What I can do is bring Dr. Knapke, bring him down to court so you can speak to him here."

Brown tells the court that the letter Mr. Laub wrote to the court some months ago is "erroneous. ... It's all false. .... It's all lies."  Brown even tells the court that he's never seen this doctor before.  (During the second trial.) That was made up also.At some point, I believe Brown states that's a conspiracy.

Judge Lomeli tells the defendant that the doctor is a professional, and only the doctor can make the determination if he is competent or not.  The court can't do that.  He repeatedly tells Brown that he has to talk to the doctor so the doctor can evaluate him.

Brown then starts talking about what Mr. Laub wrote in his six page declaration to the court. "He says he's going to block me ... going pro per...."   Brown filed a complaint against his attorney with the court. He continues complaining to the judge,  "I want to go over this with the court." Judge Lomeli replies, "I can't do that. I have no opinion, only a doctor can declare you competent."  Brown continues to complain about the six page letter Mr. Laub wrote, "There's different wording ... one filed in court and the one he gave me. ... The wording's different."

Brown then claims that he never met with the doctor that his attorney and the court says he met with.  "I never met with him before and he's saying I met with him."  Judge Lomeli tells him, "That's correct."  Brown replies, "I spoke to my former counsel and he told me he never heard about it." Judge Lomeli lights up.  "Who? ... Who was it? ... Who?"  Judge Lomeli asks Brown several times which of his attorneys told him he never met with Dr. Knapke.  Brown replies, "It's a conspiracy. ... I better not put this on the record."  Judge Lomeli replies, "You can't have it both ways."  Mr. Laub interjects something about the appointment.

DDA Hum tells the court the prosecution's position on the proper procedure. Brown believes the communication has broken down and wants another attorney, to file a Marsden motion.  "But that can't happen yet. The court must make an assessment on 1368 rule first.  ... The only way he can make a Marsden motion (is?) if the 1368 is resolved. ... But I do recall, Mr. Harris asked that Dr. Knapke to speak to the defendant. I don't .... Mr. Harris came into court ... I know the appointment order was signed. (Since I wasn't there) I don't know if actually happened.  ... The problem (resolved? itself?)."

Judge Lomeli tells the defendant, "I do have an order signed. ... July 30th. ... Apparently he did speak to you in the middle of trial."

(I don't have a memory of this being mentioned in open court in the second trial, but it could have happened in sidebar, at the bench. Sprocket)

Mr. Laub adds, "I believe it was before trial."  I believe it's Hum who adds, "If I remember it, it was not a 1368 (to the court). It was a report that was sent to Mr. Harris and not the court."  Mr. Laub tells the court, "As far as a Marsden motion goes ..."  Judge Lomeli responds, "Counsel (is?) correct. 1368 must be resolved before Marsden."

There is a mention of another doctor, a Dr. (Kareem? Kasmin?) who was possibly also on the case.  Judge Lomeli asks counsel to approach the bench.

Brown tells the court.  "It's all lies.  ... I'll only tell the doctor, it's all lies." That he won't cooperate with the doctor.

9:20 AM
Judge Lomeli in a stern voice tells the defendant, "Mr. Brown, I'm going to bring Dr. Knapke down to the next court date. ... It's up to you to cooperate. ... You seem competent to me. ... Only way this (is going to be resolved)."  I have a memory of Judge Lomeli telling the defendant that if he doesn't cooperate with the doctor, "I'm going to reinstate criminal proceedings and this case will move forward!"  Brown responds, "... line 19. ... It says, (I can?) no longer rationally communicate with counsel..."  Judge Lomeli replies, "That may well be, but that can't be heard until Marsden. ... It doesn't matter sir, to even hear that out ... before the issue of that ... competency has to be resolved. "  Judge Lomeli adds more and then Mr. Laub tells the court, "Every word of the declaration was filed under penalty of perjury and I would testify to that if called."

Mr. Laub tells the court, "... I believe (what his client is saying), are not lies on his part but are due to his current mental difficulties. ... His ability to rationally cooperate with (his defense) is no longer there."  Mr. Laub adds, "(I?) ... don't believe communication has been broken down. ... It's that we are not ..." on the same page as to the direction they need to go.  Judge Lomeli tells the parties he'd like one last shot for Brown to meet with the doctor.  Judge Lomeli warns Brown, "If you don't talk... "  Brown replies that, "I'd rather have it on the record."  Brown wants his meeting with Dr. Knapke in open court on the record. Judge Lomeli responds, "You can't have it on the record." The meeting must be in private, in the jail area.  Brown asks the court, "You don't think this is a ploy to shut me down?"  Judge Lomeli responds, "I can't address that..."

There is discussion among counsel as to how the scheduling is going to go. I believe Mr. Laub is tasked with arranging a date for Dr. Knapke to come down to court and evaluate the defendant at the courthouse.  I believe the date that was arranged for everyone to return after that is Friday the 13th, which would be December 13th.

Brown brings up one last issue with the court. "I'd like to know if (anyone?) spoke to you (about?) an incident of this month?" It happened on the 4th.  I'm not positive if Judge Lomeli asks Brown what happened, or if Brown just continued talking.  "Someone tried to spear me. ... The deputies are hiding it."  Judge Lomeli asks, "You mean shank you?"  No, Brown is insistent it was a "spear."  Judge Lomeli tells the defendant that his attorney needs to file the proper documents for that, "That's not a part of the trial."

The date is mentioned again that everyone is to come back. Friday the 13th. (December).

And that's it for this hearing...

Joshua Woodward Prelim Day 1, Part II

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 Joshua Woodward, after his arrest in 2009.

Continued from Day 1.....

October 21st 2013, Morning Session.
(Continuing with Detective Shafia's testimony under Prop 115 regarding what Ms. Doe told him. Sprocket.)

Ms. Doe thought that the whole process of Woodward reaching into the backpack, putting his fingers inside her and then going to the restroom afterwards was Woodward masturbating. She did inquire as to what he was doing. (I miss the detective's answer.)  The last time he reached into his backpack his phone lit up.

Ms. Doe stated that one time, between the third and fourth time, she felt like Woodward was hurting her, and she asked him to stop.  He was pushing his hand and fingers insider her vagina too hard. Before he left that night, she grabbed his hands, and her hands immediately started itching.  One of them asked the other if they were okay, and then Woodward left, around 7:00 AM.

Ms. Doe told Detective Shafia that the issue was the phone light coming on. (He?) moved away from the bed. Ms. Doe said he was down there with his phone, with his backpack. She saw this and said, "What the fuck are you doing?"  Ms. Doe said that Woodward replied that he was checking his emails.  Ms. Doe demonstrated for Detective Shafia what Woodward was doing. He was on his knees and had something in his hand, moving around inside the back pack.

Around 8:30 to 9:00 AM, she started to have severe cramping. At 10:00 AM, her cramping was more severe and she was throwing up, nauseous. "She was describing cramps like she had never felt before."

HB: Did she tell you how long?
JS: Until around 2:00 PM.

She was able to get to sleep then woke up around 5:30 PM.  Ms. Doe was still throwing up.  She moved to the bathroom and found spotting in her underwear. Ms. Doe's cramping was in her lower abdominal area. She took off that pair of thong underwear and changed to a larger turquoise pair.  She was still cramping. At some point, she noticed spotting in the turquoise underwear. She also noticed a white powder in her turquoise underwear. She went and looked at the thong underwear, and thought she found a similar powder.

She continued to have abdominal cramps. They got more severe and she started to have more blood come out. She called her sister and best friend McKell (sp?) for advice about what was happening.  She put tissue paper in her underwear.  The advice she received was that her symptoms were not a miscarriage.

Detective Shafia testifies, "She told me that she felt some excess come out of her."  Then she saw the baby come out of her ... the head, arms, and legs. ... Her demeanor changed. she was crying." 

Eventually her friend McKell showed up. Ms. Doe and her friend called the doctor at Cedar's Sinai Hospital.  The doctor told her there was nothing they could do.  The doctor recommended flushing the baby down the toilet.  Ms. Doe couldn't do it. Her friend couldn't do it.  Eventually her friend's husband flushed the baby.

On October 25th, Detective Shafia spoke to a Dr. Barry Brock.  "He told me it was an unusual phone call he received. ... He told them to flush the baby."

Ms. Doe went to the doctor on Monday at 2:00 PM.  After the 19th, 2:00 PM, she was no longer pregnant.  Detective Shafia had a discussion with Ms. Doe on whether or not to tell the defendant about the miscarriage.   Ms. Doe brought the topic up. She was very upset. She didn't want to tell him about the miscarriage.  She talked about Dateline and those shows.  She wanted to withhold the information from the defendant and have an investigation progress.

Detective Shafia's position was that she was upset, very emotional. It would have to be a choice that she made, if she did that.

Detective Shafia had another contact with Ms. Doe on October 21st. Ms. Doe called him about getting video from her apartment building and who she needed to call. She also told Detective Shafia that the defendant would be in Los Angeles on October 24th.  At that point in time, and the next day, Detective Shafia was able to do research and call the District Attorney and had formulated a plan to deal with the case.

Detective Shafia told Ms. Doe his plan and asked if she would participate and pretend she was still pregnant. Detective Shafia asks Ms. Doe to tell Woodward about her severe cramping that happened. That the doctor told her that if she ever did that again, she would miscarry and not have the baby.

The following day, Detective Shafia confirmed the defendant would fly in the next day. Ms. Does understood the information and relayed it to the defendant.

On October 25th, 2009, Detective Shafia took the lead role in the case. On October 25th, he went to the area of Ms. Doe's apartment building.  He arrived in the area around 1 AM.  He had Officer Javier Hernandez with him. He went to the parking lot of a Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC), which is across the street from the building.

11:35 AM
People's exhibits #2, #3 and #4, are photos of the area.  People's #2 is an aerial photo of the apartment complex. Detective Shafia identifies where the apartment is in the photo, and marks on the photo where he parked in the KFC parking lot.  People's #3, more close up photo, that shows the buildings around the KFC.  KFC is on the NE corner of Hauser and 3rd Street.  People's #4, photo of KFC parking lot. This photo was taken at a different time than Oct 25th.  Detective Shafia marks on the photo the original position where he was parked.  The car he was driving was a 2007 Ford Crown Vic, 4 Door, dark gray with emergency equipment inside.

People's exhibits #5, people's #6, and people's #7, more photos.  People's #5 is another photo of the intersection of 3rd and Hauser.  People's #6, street view facing west bound.  People's #7, gate entrance directly across the street of the apartment complex.  The gate referenced in the photo is directly across the street from a portion of the KFC.  The handicap ramp at KFC is identified. There is a direct, diagonal line from (the gate?) to the handicap ramp outlined in the people's exhibits.

People's exhibit #8, another photo of Fuller and 3rd Street at the KFC.

On that day, Detective Shafia was not wearing his police uniform.  He was parked in that location because it was the best observation point where the victim said Joshua Woodward commonly entered the building.

The detective is asked to describe the neighborhood and the types of businesses.  Above 3rd Street, there's primarily residential buildings.  South of 3rd street, there are a number of multi-story buildings.  The only business on the north side is the KFC and a few others.

Detective Shafia and his partner were still in the vehicle at 3:00 AM. There were no businesses open. Detective Shafia doesn't recall seeing any foot traffic at that time in the morning.  At approximately 3:15 AM on October 25th, Detective Shafia and his partner observed a person.

Defense attorney Janet Levine states the defense will stipulate that it was Mr. Woodward.  DDA Balian would still like to have the defendant identified.  Detective Shafia states he recognizes the defendant. "He's waring a brownish-green suit and a blue tie."

Detective Shafia is asked were 8 oz Burger (aka Table 8) is located in relation to People's #2.  "It's somewhat northeast of this location."  People's #4 is presented.

HB: When you first observed the defendant, where was he?
JS: He was walking westbound on the sidewalk.

Detective Shafia places an X with an arrow on the exhibit.  Detective Shafia had already pulled forward and out into the drive. His headlights were on the defendant.  Mr. Woodward continued to walk westbound on the sidewalk. After he passed him, he pulled into the street westbound and ultimately made his way to the handicap ramp.  Detective Shafia pulled his car into blocking the back of the handicap ramp to block Woodward's line of travel.  Detective Shafia shows where on the map the movements he just described.  It appeared to Detective Shafia that Woodward was going to walk down the handicap ramp onto the street.  As he pulled up, the defendant kept walking. As the car blocked the ramp, he pulled up a bit so his partner could exit the vehicle.  Detective Shafia observed the defendant changed his direction.

Officer Hernandez quickly exited the car and addressed the defendant.

JS: I believe my partner said, "Are you Joshua Woodward?" ... He changed his direction to the car, walking northward.

Detective Shafia was still inside the car. He observed the defendant facing (his partner?) and asked if he was Joshua Woodward.  The defendant answered, "Yes."  He reached both hands into his front pockets of his pants, as if to get identification.

Then the defendant turned slightly to the right and pulled his hands out of his pockets.  He then observed the defendant rubbing, or grinding his right hand into his pants just below the pocket.  Detective Shafia didn't see anything in the defendant's hand at that time. He then observed a small piece of clear plastic fall to the ground out of the defendant's hand. To Detective Shafia, it appeared like the defendant was grinding something into his pants. Detective Shafia immediately grabbed Woodward's left hand. He then pushed Woodward back into Officer Hernandez. This move was to separate the defendant from the dropped item. Detective Shafia asked the defendant, "Joshua, what was that in your hand?"

There's an objection by the defense on Miranda issues.

12:00 PM
The lunch break is called. 

1:30 PM
I believe I am the only person in the gallery who is not related to or a part of the defense team.  There are quite a few here.  Ms. Levine and Mr. Currie are at the defense table.  There is another attorney of record on the case, Megan Weisgerber who is sitting in the chairs directly behind the defense table. There is a black gentleman who is sitting next to her.  This could be another attorney or the defense investigator.

In the gallery, there are three attorney's sitting in the front row, spread out. From memory, all of them have a legal note pad and are taking notes.  Sitting in the 3rd row directly behind me is a woman who I mostly saw work on a laptop and a man beside her who was often working his cell phone.

Over on the other side of the aisle, there was a youngish looking slender man with gray hair who is in the front row.  I believe he is also taking notes. In the row behind him are an older couple who, from the body language and from observing them communicate with the defendant, I believe they are most likely the defendant's parents. Sitting to the mother's right is a younger looking man who also has a notepad.

There are two men sitting in the third row far off to my left.  They are both all dressed in black. Black suits, black shirts black ties. At first, I thought they might be security for the defendant, but I've not seen them interact with the defendant.  They didn't act like Phil Spector's bodyguards did during his two trials. I have not seen them interact with the attorneys either.  My only guess is that they could be drivers for the family and/or the defense team.

When we go back on the record, Judge Pastor asks counsel if they wish to deal with the objection by the defense.  The people inform the court they wish to keep that issue pending and interrupt Detective Shafia's testimony to take the testimony of an out-of-town, expert witness.

To be continued in Day 1, Part III.....

Joshua Woodward Prelim Day 1, Part III

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Joshua Woodward, after his arrest in 2009.

Continued from Day 1, Part II.....

October 21st, 2013
1:30 PM
The people call Dr. Jessica Kingston.  DDA Rizzo presents the witness. Ms. Kingston is a trim looking blond. She's wearing a black pant suit with a navy and white print blouse.  She looks like she might be in her late 30's or early 40's at the most.  Judge Pastor instructs the witness on testifying.

Dr. Kingston is a physician. She works for UC San Diego.  She's had the position since 2002. She starts to give her CV.  She graduated from Yale Medical School. She started her residency program at UCSD and completed that in 2002. She was offered a job afterwards.  She is an Obstetrician and Gynecologist.

The CV is lengthy and detailed in this specialty. I will not repeat it all.  She has testified as an expert witness several times before. She was state licensed in 1999 and board certified in OBGYN in 2003.  Both of these licenses come from the state. She is also licensed to prescribe DEA controlled medications.  She's involved in teaching and supervising on a daily basis. She gives lectures to 3rd year residents every six weeks. She's the course director for first and second year medical students.  She does very little research. She's not primarily a researcher; primarily, she's a clinician. She keeps up with the literature.

About 2.5 days a week, she sees her own personal patients and supervises residents with their patients. She spends 1.5 days a week on deliveries and 1.5 days a week in surgery.  She delivers anywhere from 100 to 150 babies a year.  She assisted in pregnancy termination as part of her residency.  She gives statistics on approximately how many pregnancies she terminates in her practice and the methods used in the first trimester and the second. Pregnancy termination can be either medically (with drugs) or surgery. She explains a D&C (dilation & curettage) can be done in office or a medical room with some type of anesthesia.

Medical termination of a pregnancy can be done by prescription medications that will expel the pregnancy. These are usually done at home. She names the drugs that are most often used:  Misoprostol and MifepristoneMisoprostol is a prostaglandin that causes contractions. It is sometimes used by itself but most often it's used in combination with Mifepristone.  If the fetus is viable, then they use the two medications.  If the pregnancy is non-viable then they use Misoprostol alone.  Mifepristone is an anti-progesterone. It acts to prepare the uterus to be more (receptive?) to Misoprostol.  It causes the death of the lining of the uterus. It's also known as RU-486.

Misoprostol was mainly originally designed to treat ulcers. If a patient is taking Motrin, it prevents ulcers in the stomach.  Off label, in obstetrics and generally out in the world, it's used for the purpose to end pregnancy, to cause contractions. It's used very commonly. There are literally hundreds of published articles related to its use, dosage and to improve patient care. It is widely available by prescription in tablet form. Dr. Kingston uses it in her practice for the management of failed pregnancy in the first trimester and to induce (miscarriage?) in the second trimester. She also uses it to induce labor in the third trimester.  The tablets are round or hexagon shaped. People's exhibit #9, an enlarged photo of two tablets.  (I found a similar photo on Kaiser Permamente's web site. This image looks similar to People's exhibit #9. Sprocket)

100 micrograms tablet

The trade name for the drug is Cytotec. Dr. Kingston is not aware of the drug being available in powder form in the US. She has never prescribed it in powder form.  Her practice is to first prescribe Mifepristone followed by a day or two later, Misoprostol.  This is the best an safest method. The first drug prepares the uterus.  Misoprostol can be used alone in the first trimester. It is dose dependent.  The more doses given, the more effective it is. As dosage increases, the potential for side effects increases. In the second trimester, the two drugs is the best way.  Dosage depends on the gestational age of the fetus. Typically, 400 micrograms is taken every three hours.

(In the second trimester?), she would not recommend it be done at home.  Typically done at the hospital. There is a risk of bleeding. The patient also may need surgical intervention.  It's risky for the mother to do at home.

MR: Are there differences in gestational age as for as effectiveness?
JK: It depends on the dosage and the time frame administered .... medically. ... As gestation advances ... use smaller doses.

In the second trimester, medical termination is not common.  Surgical procedures are 80 to 90%.  Medical termination is 10- 20%.  In the third trimester it's used to induce labor and help treat hemorrhaging and stopping bleeding.

Dr. Kingston is given a series of hypothetical questions about a patient pregnant at four weeks, twelve weeks and thirteen weeks, and how effective Misoprostol would be if given alone.  At four weeks: Dr. Kingston states that without knowing the dose, it's hard to answer.  But it the patient was given a dose that's effective, then there's 40 to 80% chance it will be effective (cause miscarriage).  800 micrograms would be more effective than 200 micrograms. A lower dose could be given, but the percentage of causing a miscarriage would be closer to 40%.  A higher dose, a higher percentage of success.

A patient at 12 weeks in their pregnancy, a low dose may not be effective, or it could take longer.  A low does could be effective. It either wouldn't work or take longer.  A higher dose is more likely to work and take less time.

A patient at 13 weeks in their pregnancy would probably be very similar. It's dose dependent and the success rate would depend on the amount of the dose.  The other issue is how often would it be given.

The medication could be given orally, vaginally or rectally. It's also been given to be absorbed into the gums. Some studies say give the medication orally; some say vaginally.  Some studies say vaginally is better, other studies contradict that.  It depends on patient care.  Age is not a factor. The factors are gestational age, amount of dose and frequency.  Orally, pill by mouth. Buccal, tablet places sublingually.  Vaginally, placed vaginally.  Rectal, placed rectally.  The entire pill is placed in these areas.  Some centers have gone away from vaginally, possibly because of infection.

Dr. Kingston prescribes to her patients vaginally.  With vaginal insertion, side effects are less.  Side effects are nausea, fever, diarrhea and abdominal cramping.  This is seen in 5-10% of patients. Higher doses cause more side effects.  Another possible side effect is wooziness, malaise. The process is faster with vaginal placement verses oral. Dr. Kingston has seen that in her practice as well as in the literature.  Dr. Kingston states that if a patient experiences side effects, they would occur one to two hours after administering the medication. The timing would be dose dependent as well.

Dr. Kingston is asked about ultrasound and how it's used in monitoring pregnancy. She testifies she has performed approximately thousands of ultrasounds. One of the uses is to determine gestational age.  Lots of information about pregnancy can be determined with this test. Dr. Kingston explains the nuchal translucency test which is part of an ultrasound screening.  It refers to a measurement that's taken during an ultrasound in the later part of the first trimester.  It's used to identify a patient or fetus risk of chromosome abnormality.  There are other measurements taken; it's just a part of an ultrasound.

Dr. Kingston reviewed Ms. Doe's medical records.  The defense will stipulate to the Cedar Sinai medical records.  The court accepts the stipulation for the preliminary hearing only.   Dr. Kingston reviewed 51 pages of medical records, presented as people's exhibit #10.  Another packet of images, people's exhibit #11 consist of 33 images in all. (Ultrasound images. Sprocket.)

Dr. Kingston reviewed the documents before today.  She is asked to look at a particular page of the report, stamped EVID 1627, an ultrasound report. She's seen this type of report in her practice many times.  She goes over several of the notations and code words in the report.  To date a pregnancy, the method is to use a combination of the ultrasound and date of the last menstrual period. It helps physicians determine how far along a pregnancy is.

An ultrasound conducted on Ms. Doe on October 8th, 2009 calculated the gestational age as 11 weeks, 5 days.  The estimated due date from that ultrasound was April 24th, 2010.  A program is used to calculate the age and estimated due date. The notations and programs used in the ultrasound are standard in the OBGYN community.  If the ultrasound is done well that estimate could be within a week of the actual due date.

Another page of Ms. Doe's medical records, EVID 1611.  This is the ultrasound that also included the nuchal translucent test on October 13th, 2009.  I believe Dr. Kingston states there were no abnormalities noted in the test.  Dr. Kingston is asked to go over the ultrasound images, people's exhibit #11.

I look over at the couple on the defense side whom I believe are Woodward's parents.  The woman is sharply dressed in a gray and black suit with what looks to be a light gray sweater and a burgundy necklace. She's wearing tortoise looking glasses and black knee high boots. Her gray hair is nicely styled in a type of wedge cut that comes down around her jaw line. The man has longish gray hair, a full beard and a bit of a portly belly.

I believe there are many images in people's #11, and the prosecution presents about six or seven of them. Dr. Kingston points out the features in the images that show the parts of the baby.  The basic anatomical features are outlined in this fetus.

From the report of October 13th, 2009, based on all the measurements taken, the gestational age of the fetus was 12 weeks and 2 days. The fetus was in the second trimester.  After a review of the report and a review of the images, Dr. Kingston agrees that the gestational age on that date was 12 weeks and 2 days.

MR: Based on the images and review of the report, did there appear to be any fetal abnormalities?
JK: There are no fetal abnormalities documented on the report. .. All documents ... as being within normal limits.
MR: And your opinion, based on your review of this report, so far, was the pregnancy proceeding normally and viably?

I believe the witness answers "Yes."  Judge Pastor interrupts the proceeding to take the afternoon break.

Afternoon Break
At the break, Judge Pastor's court reporter, Mavis, is kind enough to give me the correct spellings of the two medications as well as names of the defense counsel. Mavis is an excellent court reporter. I first got to know her during the retrial of Cameron Brown back in July and August 2009.

2:59 PM
I see Woodward going over a legal notepad he had been writing in earlier.

3:01 PM
Dr. Kingston retakes the stand. A minute later, Judge Pastor retakes the bench.  Detective Shafia is excused and ordered back at 9:00 AM tomorrow.

DDA Rizzo presents Dr. Kingston with a hypothetical.  A pregnant female is given a 'Jamba Juice.' She drinks half the drink.  A half hour later, the female begins to experience vomiting, diarrhea, cramping. 

MR: Is it consistent with consuming Misoprostol?
JK: Yes.

Continuing with the hypothetical.  A man inserts his fingers into the woman's vagina over several hours during foreplay.  At 8:00 AM, she experiences chills, vomiting, diarrhea, cramping. Going to the bathroom, she sees blood on the toilet paper.  She feels pressure in her abdomen area. Sitting on the toilet, she expels water, clots and then her fetus.

MR: Is that consistent with vaginal exposure to Misoprostol?
JK: Yes.

This is her expert opinion based on onset of symptoms, her background and experience.  Dr. Kingston states that most spontaneous miscarriages (those without medical intervention) usually occur before the 10 weeks of gestational age.  Five to ten percent of pregnancies miscarry. 80 to 85% occur prior to the 10 week period.

JK: It is rare to see spontaneous miscarriages .... in the second trimester ... based on a normal pregnancy.
MR: What are some medical reasons for spontaneous miscarriages?
JK: If the fetus is chromosomally abnormal ... if infection ... (the patient has) undergone amniocentesis ... accident ... or the mother is exposed to a toxin.
MR: Would Misoprostol ... could be considered a toxin?
JK: If it's not expected.
MR: After reviewing Ms. Doe's medical records ... do you have an opinion (if?) she suffered from (chromosome abnormality?)?
JK: The possibility of that was low.
MR: ... Cystic Fibrosis... ?
JK: ... no indication ...
MR: ... illicit substances ... ?
JK: (Ms. Doe was?) ... screened for it after (the miscarriage?). ... no indication.

There was no evidence of infection or injury to Ms. Doe.

MR: After a review of her medical records, was Ms. Doe healthy?
JK: Yes.
MR: Was the fetus healthy?
JK: Yes.
MR: (Based on your background?) ... In your opinion was the miscarriage of Ms. Doe's in fact a natural event?
JK: Highly unlikely.
MR: (Please) list your reasons.

The pregnancy was normal. The gestational age. I believe there are more reasons listed that I miss. Dr. Kingston is asked as to the chance the miscarriage being a chance of spontaneous abortion.

JK: For this patient, based on patent's history, ... the chance that this was a spontaneous miscarriage would be less than one percent possibility. ...

The patient experienced vomiting. A woman who has a spontaneous miscarriage doesn't typically have chills, vomiting, nausea, diarrhea.

There is an objection to one of the questions and the objection is sustained.

MR: Assume the patient experienced nausea, vomiting. .. In your experience, would this be a spontaneous event?
JK: No.

In Dr. Kingston's opinion, Ms. Doe's miscarriage was due to an abortifacient specifically Misoprostol.

3;15 PM
Direct is finished and Kelly T. Currie steps up to cross examine the witness.  Mr. Currie takes the podium over to the defense table prior to his cross. Mr. Currie takes out several files.  In a slow, even monotone, Mr. Currie introduces himself to the witness. He also tells the witness if there is any question that they don't understand, to let him know and he will repeat it.

Dr. Kingston is asked when she was first contacted by the prosecution. 

JK: I can't remember the specific date. Probably 1.5 to 2 years ago.
KC: Who was it (who contacted you?)?
JK: Ms. Rizzo.
KC: (You were?) retained by the District Attorney?
JK: Yes.
KC: What was it you were asked (to do?)?
JK: To review reports and render an opinion.

Previously, Dr. Kingston worked for the Medical Board of California as an expert, similar to today. She's testified five times before.  Her work for the medical board involved medical malpractice.  The type of cases were standard of care cases; a doctor being sued for malpractice in cases over $30,000.  She is being compensated today for her work. She's never been retained in a criminal case before.  Dr. Kingston is asked if she is a pharmacologist or a toxicologist.  No, she isn't. Ms. Doe was never Dr. Kingston's patient. She never examined Ms. Doe. She never spoke to Ms. Doe by phone or had any conversations with her before.

Dr. Kingston prepared a report for the District Attorney.  She reviewed medical records and investigative reports.

JK: This is the complete set of medical records I reviewed.
KC: You said you looked at witness statements?
JK: I believe they are police reports.
KC: (I'm) going to ask you to look at a documents to see if they are the basis of your opinion today.

Mr. Currie hands the witness a 3-ring binder with divider tabs. Counsel also gives a copy to the court. The people have no objection. Judge Pastor indicates the binder contents are alphabetically marked.

The first document in the file is EVID 31-32. A (continuation?) sheet and injury report.  Dr. Kingston states it looks familiar. She can't tell for certain. In preparing for her testimony today, she reviewed her report she prepared.   I believe the next document presented is a statement by Ms. Doe. Dr. Kingston states she can't be 100% certain, but that it looks familiar.

KC: Did you look at crime lab reports?
JK: Yes.
KC: EVID 62-63. Request by Detective Shafia ... reviewed in this case?
JK: Yes.
KC: EVID 64 (is this one document you reviewed?)?
JK: Yes.
KC: EVID 65 (is this one document you reviewed?)? ... Inter-department correspondence?
JK: Yes.

And it went on. Questions about several documents and if she reviewed this document to form her opinion. EVID 66, report of drug property collected.  EVID 67, receipt from DEA.  EVID 68, DEA lab report. EVID 69 LAPD lab report reviewed. EVID 70 US DEA, report, drug property collected. EVID 71 receipt for cash or other items. EVID 72 lab report from Dept. of Justice.

KC: Did you review any other criminal or lab report?
JK: No, not that I recall.
KC: EVID 79-82, appears to be an investigative report, related to Ms. Doe.
JK: Yes.
KC: These are all the documents the prosecution provided to you?
JK: Yes.
KC: EVID 88-89, another follow-up, LAPD investigative report?
JK: Yes.

She reviewed a statement that appears to be from Ms. Doe on 10/27.

KC: EVID 96-101, report about interview of Ms. Doe on 10/24/10. ... Is that a document you reviewed?
JK: Yes.
KC: Tab 17, Defense exhibit A, ... appear to be EVID 493-517 ... is that a document ... appears to be a transcript of Mr. Woodward's (statement?)
JK: Yes.
KC: Do you remember seeing any other interview reports/
JK: No other interview reports.
KC: (Did you?) Review any recording of ... interview (of Ms. Doe?)?
JK: No.
KC: You ultimately prepared a report for the (DA? prosecution?) ... March 29th, 2012 ... ?
JK: I don't remember the exact date.
KC: (It?) was in June 2012 you prepared a report?
JK: Yes.

Mr. Currie would like to mark for identification, defense B, purports to be communication between the district attorney and Dr. Kingston.  EVID 518, a letter to Dr. Kingston from DDA Rizzo, dated March 29th 2012.  It's related to her being retained by the prosecution.   EVID 529, a letter that Dr. Kingston wrote to Ms. Rizzo related to this case. Dr. Kingston's report is three and a half pages long. EVID 530, 531, 532, 533.

KC: In preparing this report, did you speak to any witnesses?
JK: No.
KC: Speak to any med(ical? personnel?) reviewed in (these reports?)?
JK: No.
KC: Speak to detectives who prepared reports?
JK: No.
KC: Speak to lab technicians in regards to ... lab work or testing?
JK: No.
KC: Do you remember ... Did you keep track ...  how many hours ... working on this matter?
JK: The time from reading the records and literature review ... approximately five hours.

Dr. Kingston listed in her report, reference literature.  She believes she looked at more literature beyond what she listed in her report, but only listed the literature she thought "were the most authoritative." She did not prepare any other drafts of her report.

KC: Did you speak to the prosecutors about what should be included?
JK: No.
KC: ... report .. summary of facts ... you thought were most relevant to your opinion?
JK: Yes.
KC: Is (there?) anything in the report that's based on (other information?)?
JK: No.

Mr. Currie then asks Dr. Kingston, based on her experience, about the information she gathers for a patient, the questions she would ask about the patient history and lifestyle. This is to determine the patient health and to determine unhealthy behavior that could impact the pregnancy.  The reason to ask specific questions is to determine the risk factors. There are certain things Dr. Kingston would look for.

KC: Spontaneous miscarriage refers to loss of pregnancy without outside influence or interference?
JK: Yes.

Ms. Doe's age, 39 was the only identifiable risk factor Dr. Kingston considered.  When the mother's age is above 35, there is a risk for chromosomal abnormalities.  If the fetus has chromosomal abnormalities, that's a risk for pregnancy loss.  It's recommended that pregnant women have their first OBGYN appointment within the first trimester.  Risks for pregnancy increase with advanced age.

KC: Cigarette smoking, is it a risk?
JK: It's controversial.

More than a pack a day (would be risky) but it's hard to say based on the evidence.  Dr. Kingston would not recommend continuing to smoke to her patients. It could cause constriction of blood vessels. It could also cause blood clots that could get to the fetus.  It has not been definitely proven.  Mr. Currie asks about second hand smoke.

JK: I can't recall if I saw ... but the literature doesn't support that it's a direct cause.

If Ms. Doe was Dr. Kingston's patient, she would definitely ask if she was a smoker. EVID 1621, documentation of a visit with Dr. Timothy Tsui, half way down the page it states tobacco use "non-smoker." 

JK: I don't believe I considered it at all ... considering it said (Ms. Doe?) non-smoker.

Defense exhibit C is presented to the witness. It's a medical record obtained from Cedar Sinai that was not part of the documentation introduced by the prosecution.  I'm not sure if thee is an objection, but I believe DDA Balian stipulates to the chain of custody of the records. DDA Balian who adds that the documents appear to be, ... not a complete set of records.  It's an imaging report on Ms. Doe. An examination from April 27th, 2009, approximately three months before she became pregnant.  It appears there were two views of her chest that were taken.  The report says the patient was a smoker.

KC: Is it your opinion that (medical?) information is provided by the patient?
JK: It's elicited in the course of taking a history.
KC: It April 2009, it appears patient was a smoker?
MR: Objection!
JP: Sustained. (As to the form of the question.)
KC: Dr. Kingston, if you were Ms. Doe's obstetrician, and (she is?) a 39 year old expectant mother, would you want to know if she was a smoker for pregnancy risk?
JK: From the point of overall health ... The records I reviewed said she was a non-smoker.

Mr. Currie asks about alcohol use. The word teratogen is introduced.  It's a substance or medication that can cause abnormalities.

KC: Is alcohol use something that could cause spontaneous abortions?
JK: Yes.

Dr. Kingston would recommend to her patients to abstain from drinking.

KC: Do you see anything in the medical reports where (the? her?) doctor asked about alcohol use?
JK: There is a question about caffeine and other drugs but I don't see alcohol asked specifically. ... I don't see it specifically documented.
KC: Do you see anything in the police report where the police asked about alcohol use?
JK: No.

I believe Dr. Kingston states she would not have considered it since she didn't have the information in the medical reports.

KC: Did you know she worked as a bartender?
MR: Objection!
JP: Sustained!
KC: Is caffeine consumption something you would consider as a risk for spontaneous abortion?
JK: ... more than 300 mg per day. ... (That's) two 8 oz. cups of coffee.
KC: Is it considered a risk in spontaneous abortions?
JK: Yes, in amounts more than 300 mg. per day.

Mr. Currie presents people's 10, EVID 1623. The report indicates Ms. Doe had caffeine about once a day, and asked if there was evidence that Ms. Doe consumed more than that.

JK: The evidence (in the literature?)  is that it's a risk for first trimester loss.

If there was evidence (of more consumption?) she would consider it.   Other drugs are mentioned.

KC: Is cocaine use a risk factor for pregnancy loss?
JK: Yes.
KC: Ms. Doe was asked about drug use?
JK: Yes.
KC: ... and that other drug use (on a history form) is usually refers to illicit drugs?
JK: That's a fair assumption.
KC: Did you see anything in ... police report whether or not she used illegal drugs?
MR: Objection!
JP: Sustained.
KC: If there was in the police report ... Is there any information in your review that ...
JK: there was a test done on her after losing the pregnancy. ... test for cocaine use and that test was negative.
KC: Would you know about a test on hair for cocaine use?
JK: I'm not familiar. ... don't typically test (hair?). ... The test we use is urine.

Mr. Currie asks Dr. Kingston about the fact that Ms. Doe had an elective abortion in 2003. He directs her to her report, page 2.

KC: You write ... "her past history ... one pregnancy terminated in 2003 without complications?"
JK: Yes.
KC: Did I read that correct?
JK: Yes. ... I made an assumption that it ... based on how it was documented in the chart ... a doctor will document more in the second trimester ...
KC: So the absence of notation ... like you described ... as to how the procedure was done ... and that was the basis of first trimester?
JK: Yes.

The risks to have an elective abortion are reviewed. Infection, ongoing bleeding, damage to the cervix. Dr. Kingston states these risks are less than 1 per 1,000.  In the second trimester, the complications are more severe. It is less than 1 per 1,000 that it could affect future fertility.

JK: The lack of information leads me to believe it (the elected abortion) was in the first trimester.
KC: Were the records to 2003 made available to you?
JK: No.
KC: do you know if 2003 records were made available to her doctor?
JK: It was based on ... there was no information in her medical records that documented complications (of the elected abortion).
KC: Are you familiar with reports that show a link between elected abortions and risk of miscarriage?
JK: Yes.
KC: Did you consider that her pregnancy ...
JK: There's no consistent reports in the literature to support that.

There are other studies that refute that. Dr. Kingston states there are more studies, a preponderance of evidence supports that there is not an increased risk that having an elective abortion increases the risk of miscarriage in the future.  I believe Dr. Kingston is asked about if she considered infection and it's risks in her opinion.  Infection can affect the fetus and cause malformations. There are questions about penicillin and allergies to penicillin.  There is a notion in Ms. Doe's medical records that she became aware of an allergy to the drug on July 25th, 2007.  The patient had a past medical history of chronic UTI's (urinary tract infections).

KC: Did you consider that (UTI's?) in her risk?
JK: It's only a problem if she has a current infection.

Ms. Doe's medical records indicate that she was prescribed Cipro for a bladder infection in her first month of pregnancy.

JK: I recall seeing previous records from previous (doctors?) that treated bladder infections.
KC: When was that?
JK: When she saw Dr. Crystal (sp?) on August 21st.

4:10 PM
EVID 1631, documents the lab result for that day.  She had acute visit with Dr. Crystal EVID 1637 on August 20th.

KC: She was having frequent urination? ... Is it associated with being pregnant?
JK: It can be.

The medical reports indicate she was prescribed medication. The result of the urine analysis was negative.  Dr. Kingston states that sometimes physicians prescribe if they have a suspicion, so it's hard to say.  It appeared in Ms. Doe's medical records as being prescribed.

JK: It's on her list. ... but there's no chart note that she's actually taking it.

Ms. Doe's medical history indicated that she was sexually active. Her current form of contraceptive indicated "None." There are more questions about Ms. Doe's medical history and medications she was prescribed in the past and whether or not those medications are a risk for miscarriage.

Judge Pastor interrupts the cross examination to ask counsel about picking a future date for this witness to come back.  Tomorrow the prosecution has Detective Shafia back on the stand as well as two other expert witnesses: the toxicologist who tested evidence and Dr. Tsui, Ms. Doe's doctor.  There is an agreement that tomorrow they will begin with the experts and finish with the detective, but picking a date for Ms. Kingston to come back becomes problematic.  The court tells counsel Dept. 51 is dark on Friday and Monday.  The week of November 4th, Ms. Levine has jury duty, and another time frame Ms. Levine is out of town.  November 11th is a court holiday.  They could tentatively set for November 4th, but Mr. Currie is in NY and would have to arrange travel .  The defense states they have about another 30 minutes of cross of Dr. Kingston.  Monday's are best for Dr. Kingston, so the date for her to return is November 18th at 1:30 PM.

However, there is another serious issue that Judge Pastor informs counsel. It has to do with a lapse in the preliminary hearing proceedings that goes beyond 10 days. That would violate the defendant's rights. There are consequences without a waiver from the defendant.  The defendant is out on 4 mil bond.  If a waiver is not received from the defendant, the court would be obligated to release the defendant on his own recognizance.  Joshua Woodward waived his right to have his preliminary hearing within the 10 day time frame, and the long break between today and November 18th.

And that was it for the first day of the prelim.

DNA Analyst in Stephanie Lazarus Case Sues LAPD

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Jennifer Francis testifying at Lazarus' trial, Feb. 2012;
Nels & Loretta Rasmussen in the gallery.
© 2012 by Thomas Broersma (thomasbroersma@yahoo.com). 
All rights reserved by the artist.

T&T readers may remember Jennifer Francis, the DNA analyst who testified in the Stephanie Lazarus trial. Francis tested the bite mark swab taken from Sherri Rasmussen's arm the night of her murder. Nearly 20 years later, in early 2005, Francis developed a female DNA profile. The lab report was entered into evidence during the trial (Defense Exhibit HH). Her testimony is recounted in my posts covering  Day 4Day 5 and Day 6 of the Lazarus trial.

Last night, I received an email from civil attorney John Taylor informing me that Francis has filed a lawsuit against the LAPD.  Taylor also included a copy of the complaint.

The complaint alleges:
Francis has been subjected to numerous acts of retaliation and harassment for disclosing and reporting potential inappropriate practices at the LAPD concerning the investigation into the February 1986 murder of Sherri Rasmussen. Plaintiff reported to her supervisors, the LAPD, the District Attorney, and the Office of the Inspector General, that her DNA analysis indicated the direction of the investigation was not correct and that potential suspects were being improperly excluded.  Plaintiff was reporting what amounted to obstruction of justice, false and misleading statements, and other violations of state and federal law and the state and federal constitutions. In essence, Plaintiff was outing a cover-up that lasted almost 25-years, ultimately leading to the conviction of LAPD Detective Stephanie Lazarus for the murder of Sherri Rasmussen, and prompting a public apology by Chief Beck.
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Plaintiff was repeatedly shut down when she reported that a female with personal ties to the victim may be involved in the Rasmussen murder.
You can read the full complaint HERE.

UPDATE:
LA Times - Evidence Pointing to LAPD Officer in Murder Case Ignored, Suit Claims

LAPD Detective Rick Jackson's Retirement Dinner

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October 24th, 2013
I’ve known about Rick Jackson long before the early days of my writing career. I got to learn more about him when I attended pretrial hearings on a case that Rick was involved in, the Kazuyoshi Miura case. Rick was the cold case detective who in 2008, flew to Saipan (a US territory) on an outstanding warrant to retrieve Miura for the November 1981 murder-for-hire of his wife, Kazumi, on a downtown Los Angeles street. Miura was originally convicted of this murder in his native Japan, but ten years later a higher court overturned the verdict and he was set free.  He was rearrested on California's outstanding warrant when he set foot in Saipan.
Rick Jackson, left, with Kazuyoshi Miura, 
getting off the plane in Los Angeles
Photo credit: Unknown

Fast forward many years later. It wasn't until March 2012 when my friend Matthew McGough gave a reading on his first book Batboy, at the Pasadena Library that I finally got to meet Jackson (a long-time baseball fan) in person.  That day was memorable for me because I got to talk with him about some of the noteworthy cases he worked, such as the Pierre Romain case and the murder in the Chatsworth tunnel. Jackson didn't have any business cards on him at the time, so he wrote out his contact information and phone number on a piece of paper. I still have it. For a detective, Jackson has excellent penmanship.

In the past year, I've had the opportunity to run into Rick a few times down at court and out on the downtown streets getting lunch with Matthew. Rick has an easy going attitude and a twinkle in his eyes when he smiles. When I heard about Rick's retirement and plans for an honorary dinner, I let Matthew know I hoped I could get on the invitation list.


Retirement Dinner - Familiar Faces
The event was being held at the El Paseo Inn on Olvera Street. As is the case with me, I failed to read the fine print on the flier.  I thought I could get there by 6:15 PM and be there in plenty of time. However, cocktails started at 5:00 PM. I had contacted Matthew about possibly catching a ride with him but he was already getting ready to leave. I was on my own. This was to be a casual event, just as Rick requested. I found out hours after I arrived that there was no formal dinner time. If you decided to sit down at a table, the restaurant would serve you.

When I got to the restaurant, the place was packed. Rick has made quite a few friends in his distinguished career.  Just as you enter the restaurant, the bar is to your right.  A few steps forward from the entrance, there are steps down to a lower level with dinner seating and tall casual tables to stand at.  On the lower level were photos of Rick on the back wall during several stages of his career.

There was an open bar and the party was in full swing.  I was trying to find my way in a sea of distinguished looking LAPD Detectives, former detectives, LAPD civilian staff and deputy DA's from the District Attorney's office.  Just as I had entered I saw Major Crimes Department Head Gary Hearnsberger leaving. I was definitely late to the party.

Looking through the crowd, I tried to find familiar faces. What most readers don't realize is, I haven't attended that many trials or gotten to know very many officers.  I'm actually a very shy person, a wallflower really, and still have difficulty approaching people to introduce myself. I located Matthew near the bar and tried to listen in on his conversation. 

Fortunately, I did see some familiar faces. Josh Mankiewicz from NBC's Dateline was there, sans tie as usual. We chatted about his new assignment of watching Dateline with fans. Supervising Detective Rob Bub from the Van Nuys Homicide Unit (The Cowboys) arrived and I got to talk to him about the Raul Lopez murder. There's still no arrest in that case. I saw DDA John Lewin chatting up actor Miguel Ferrer about Miguel's career. Rick has always spoken very highly of Lewin. Surprising to me, Lewin remembered seeing me at one of the Lois Goodman pretrial hearings.

One of the most brilliant stars in the DA's office, DDA Beth Silverman was there. I caught her eye and got a chance to say hello. Not only is Beth prosecuting Lonnie Franklin, Jr., aka the "Grim Sleeper," she's also assigned to the Samuel Little case, a suspected serial killer and another case that Rick worked.

Also in attendance was longtime crime beat reporter Andrew Blankstein, who I met at the Van Nuys Courthouse attending my first murder trial, the Robert Blake case. Andrew recently jumped ship from the Los Angeles Times to join NBC's Dateline.

I got to meet author Miles Corwin and tell him I saw him testify in the Robert Blake trial. Corwin trailed LAPD's Robbery-Homicide Division for an entire year and wrote a book, Homicide Special about the unit. Besides Rick, several of the detectives mentioned in Miles' book were also here. One of the cases in the book was the Robert Blake case. Because Miles was trailing RHD, Blake's defense attorney's dragged him into the trial. I'll never forget when Miles testified that he had destroyed all his notebooks that comprised his research for the book. Because I arrived so late, I missed meeting authors Joseph Wambaugh and Michael Connelly. Connelly wrote this nice farewell piece to Detective Jackson.

I got to speak briefly to Judge Ricardo Ocampo, who I met during the first Phil Spector trial. I remember when Judge Ocampo's daughter was sitting in the gallery one day during the Spector trial.

A pretty face I was very happy to see was DDA Francis Young. Francis, along with DDA Sean Carney did the preliminary hearing in the Gerhard Becker case. I talked to Francis about the Joshua Woodward prelim I was attending.  I also got to meet a few of Ricks former partners: Detectives Tim Marcia, Elizabeth Camacho, and Mitzi Roberts. I saw Detective Greg Stearns (who was part of the team that conducted that famous Lazarus interview) but never got a chance to say hello. 

Rick's Speech
Later in the evening, Rick took to the podium to talk about some of the people he's had the pleasure to work with. I miss hearing the very beginning of his speech. I wove my way from the back of the restaurant to the podium so I could hear better and take a few pictures.

Rick Jackson and Buddy at the podium

Sitting at a table near the podium are Rick's children, his fiance Debbie and other close family members. There were quite a few retired coworkers and people who flew in from out of state to be here for the event.

When I get down front, Rick is reading from a piece of paper. It's one of his elaborate pranks he's pulled on a long time colleague, Bud Arce, "Buddy." This is just one of the many stories that are memorialized to the crowd. Buddy is standing at the podium with Rick while he tells the story. The paper is a fake letter Rick created supposedly coming from Buddy's high school. With that mischievous twinkle in his eye, Rick proudly tells the crowd that he even got authentic stationary from the school to pull the prank. The letter was mailed to Buddy at the Hollywood station. Rick reads from the letter.

The letter states it's an invitation and a congratulations to Buddy, for being inducted into the "1983 Ramona High School Hall of Fame". The letter mentions recognizing his distinguished career and service as a homicide detective for the LAPD, and that he will join past recipients.  The letter is very detailed in it's ruse and Rick proudly tells the crowd that he looked through the high school year book to get the names of other "VIP" students.  The letter tells Buddy that a plaque and his photo will be displayed in the administration's building Hall of Fame.  The letter goes onto say that there will be an event ceremony during "homecoming week" with many alumni and the press. The author or the letter closes by saying he's looking forward to meeting him and hearing all about his work.

The weekend after Bud receives the letter he has a party. Rick wasn't invited but he has his spies report back on the conversations at the party to see if the letter is discussed. At the party, Buddy is heard to say that he didn't understand why the high school was doing this because "I was only a C student." Buddy's wife at the time tells Buddy that she's so proud of him. Buddy doesn't call the guy back for three weeks, but he does tell his parents. They're so proud of him. There's quite a bit of laughter from the crowd as the story is told. Rick explains that "This is the kind of shit that we used to pull."

Buddy then adds a bit to the story, as to what Rick said to him after the prank was successfully pulled. Buddy explains, "Rick tells me, Bud, burn down my house, make love to my wife, but leave my kids alone." The crowd roars. Buddy then proceeds to tell everyone that it took three years for an opportunity to get back at Rick.

As Buddy tells it, Rick comes in one day and says he's got a summons for jury service. Policemen are exempt from jury duty. Rick doesn't know what to do and he says to Buddy, "I have to get out of it."  Buddy realizes this is his chance and he hatches a plan. He's focused. He's running with two murders, yet, he looks over the list of all detectives to see who has the best voice to do his "sting." Buddy finds a guy, he calls him and lays out his script. They're working at Parker Center and Buddy says he's going to get Rick to drive to Pomona in the next ten minutes.

Buddy then calls a man he knows at the DA's office and asks if they have an extension they don't use. Oh yeah, the prosecutor says, 427. Buddy tells him, "Don't answer it in the next 20 minutes."  The plan is set, the call goes in. If Rick hurries out to Pomona, he can get off the service. Buddy waits. Rick takes off and comes back 20 minutes later.  Buddy doesn't say anything, just asks Rick, "So, how's it going? What happened on that subpoena?" Rick doesn't say anything.

Buddy then tell the crowd that his prank becomes a reverse sting. Rick knows that Buddy did this.  Buddy waits two months to ask Rick, "So, what happened on the subpoena?" Rick replies, "Well, I went over there, and the guy I talked to wasn't there, but he got me out of jury duty." Buddy explains to the crowd, "It was a reverse sting on me. He got me again."   There is a nice round of applause for Buddy's story.

Rick takes the mike again and asks if Miguel Ferrer is still here.  Rick met Miguel about 12 years ago and they've been friends ever since. One year, Miguel heard about a police golf tournament and wondered if Rick could get him an invite. Since then, Miguel has been there every year and now hosts the event. The event organizers say that Miguel is their favorite celebrity. Miguel went on Celebrity Jeopardy and won $50,000. Miguel's charity that he donated his winnings to was the LA Police Memorial Foundation for slain officers.

There were several other people that Rick brings up to the podium. Next is Don Bleier. Rick tells the crowd that the first day out of the police academy, January 16th, 1977, he is the first officer Rick worked with, his first training officer. Don stayed with Hollywood patrol for 25 years and became the "legend" for other officers after him.  Don shared a story about taking Rick on his first foot patrol down Hollywood Blvd.

George Herrara, a retired latent print analyst who testified in the Lazarus trial is introduced. George came in from Colorado to be here. In Rick's early career in homicide,  George was the go-to person to get a print run quickly. George was also the only person to match a single print to the Hillside Strangler. George's nickname was "no make" Herrara. This refers to whether the print analyst was able to "make" a match to an identified print.  George tells the crowd that when he retired from the LAPD's Science Investigation Division (SID) he received something totally unexpected. He received an etched crystal plaque on a granite base. The inscription honored his service and it was from all his friends and coworkers from Robbery Homicide Division. He was blown away and quite touched by the gift.

DDA John Lewin takes to the mike to tell a story that Matthew had shared with me before. John states that whenever Rick's name comes up, he tells people this story, to explain the kind of guy that Rick is. Let's say there was a plane crash in the middle of the ocean, remote, no civilization around and Rick and anyone else are the only two survivors. They swim ashore to the nearest island. The island is filled with people who've never been off the island. There will be at least 20 people there who know Rick and greet him by name.  Lewin says, "All his partners know, everyone knows, you can't go anywhere in the city without there being at least 20 people who know Rick."

Rick introduces his sisters, daughters Hillary and Megan, and his nephew.  Afterwards, Rick becomes quite emotional when he introduces a family that were lifesavers at a very difficult time in his life. For me, it was a very touching and tender moment to witness.

Finally, Rick introduces "Miss Halliday."  Rick knew Debbie from about eighth grade through high school.  Back in 1965, at Cecil B. DeMille Junior High School, Rick remembers walking down the school hallway, seeing Debbie with her dark hair and olive complexion and thinking, "Oh my God, I love that girl." Rick tells the crowd that he even loved her in eighth grade. They became friends but never dated.

 Debbie in the red dress & Rick

Rick and Debbie, who lives in the Bay area, kept in touch over the years.  Forty-one years later in 2006, she calls Rick up.  Rick was up in the Bay area with one of his partners.  Debbie was single at the time and Rick adds that they always had fun when they got together.  So Debbie calls him up and asks him if he would go to a wedding with her in April, and afterwards they could hang out.  Rick jokingly asks Debbie if it's their wedding.  Debbie laughed.  Rick has to think about it for a week because he knows if he goes up there, "I'm done, but if she only wants me to come up there as a friend, it's probably not worth going. Well, I went and we're getting married next August."   After the laughter and applause, Rick adds that they are debating whether they want children or not, which brings another round of laughter.

Rick adds, "As anyone who knows who's been around me for the last six years, I just light up when I talk about her. My sisters remember me talking about her back in the 60's."

Debbie then adds a few words. Says that she's a little concerned because being a detective has been Rick's life. Anytime he's been around people and friends they want him to tell stories and he loves telling his stories. Debbie says  that he's moving up to the Bay area to be with her. Consequently, she's a little worried about him having a bit of an adjustment disorder.  So she gives Rick a little gift, that might help with that adjustment disorder, help him remember "home."  Rick opens the gift and this is what it is:

 LAX cologne, The Scent of Departure

There are more stories, and future in-laws to introduce.  Rick tells everyone that, "Even though I worked Robbery Homicide for 20 some years, my heart is always in working Hollywood." That's where all the people here, and his long time close colleagues started. Rick becomes emotional again as he remembers back to those Hollywood years, with a great boss, and close friends where they all learned to do, what it is they do best.

Rick Jackson's LAPD photos
When you join the LAPD, your photo is taken at various stages of your career.  Here are a few photos of Rick during his career.


Rick's application photo for LAPD, mid '70's

Rick graduating from the LAPD Academy

Rick, starting at Robbery Homicide Division

Rick at Robbery Homicide Squad Room 

The Female Detectives: L-R,
Mitzi Roberts, Rick's last partner; Rick, Susan Antenucci;
Elizabeth Camacho, Rick's first female partner

Rick's exit photo from the LAPD

Before I left, I got the opportunity to meet Rick's fiance, Debbie, an absolutely charming woman. Rick truly is a lucky man. Overall, it was a wonderful evening. I was happy that I got to see so many of Rick's friends share their memories. I wish him well in the adventures ahead.

Gerhard Becker Preliminary Hearing, Part VII

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 Gerhard Becker, left, at a previous court hearing
 with his first counsel, Chad Lewin

This is the last part of a seven part series of the Gerhard Becker Preliminary Hearing. Sprocket

Continued from Prelim Part VI.....

November 28th, 2012
10:00 AM
After attending a hearing in the Michael Gargiulo case, I head down to the 3rd floor to Dept. 42, Judge Tynan's courtroom. When I enter, the courtroom is full. There are over 25 people, mostly men, sitting in the gallery.  Judge Tynan handles alternative sentencing programs, also known as "drug court" and the people in the gallery are just some of the cases he handles on a daily basis.

10:14 AM
Judge Tynan comes out from his chambers. He's wearing a dark blue shirt, burgundy tie with a stud pin. He puts on his robe, takes the bench then calls the first case.  It's a woman. Judge Tynan asks her how she's doing. She replies, "I'm okay, I think."  Judge Tynan tells her, "I don't think so. You're not taking your meds." Judge Tynan asks her counsel if he has any problem with speaking to his client in the vestibule. Both reply, "No, your honor." Judge Tynan takes the defendant back to his chambers to speak to her. After the private conversation is over, Judge Tynan retakes the bench and states for the record, "I had a talk with Ms. (the defendant) in full view of my bailiff and nothing untoward happened. ... She's not taking her meds. ... Have her back in one week."

I start to have a coughing fit and quickly exit the courtroom. I don't want to get a look from the judge that I'm disturbing the court proceedings. While I try to gain control of my lungs, I make a note of the people in the hallway. It's a sea of uniformed officers, under cover-looking officers and detectives mixed in with the general public. This is quite different that what I usually see on the 9th floor.  At the other end of the hallway, I notice Becker's defense attorney, Donald Re.  Feeling better, I head back inside Dept. 42.

10: 40 AM
A new defendant is before Judge Tynan and he is addressing him. "Do you play the violin? ... Your buddy plays the violin.  ... You're doing pretty good Mr. G____, But I think you're one of the guys playin' around. ... [I'm going to] ... keep you on second track and see you back in January."  The next defendant is up and Judge Tynan is told that he's doing great.  When the defendant is ordered back, about half the gallery gives him applause.

Another defendant who needs a Spanish interpreter.  His defense attorney tells Judge Tynan that his client is also doing well.  He will continue onto a third phase of recovery.  He's ordered back January 9th, and again there is applause in the gallery.

The next defendant is a woman.  I saw her crying earlier in the gallery.  Judge Tynan is told she suffered the loss of her husband four months ago. It's been 14 years since she last used cocaine. The death of her husband drove her back. She lives with her son and doesn't have a job. Judge Tynan rules she's allowed back into the program.  The defendant is very emotional and upset about her arrest.  I believe Judge Tynan addresses her, speaking encouragingly. "You see all these people in court. They were in the same situation you are. ... Just work the program and you'll do fine."

There are many defendants whose cases are to be heard.  Each and every time, Judge Tynan gives compassionate advice for these individuals who are struggling with alcohol and drug addiction. "If you're willing to work with us, we're willing to work with you," Judge Tynan tells one defendant. He adds a bit of advice, "They're going to test you when you get there, so don't use."

A reporter from the Associated Press enters the courtroom.

The next defendant was on the US Cole, and saw his buddies get killed. It messed him up. The defendant is originally from Chicago. When he first came out to California, he worked in a medical marijuana dispensary. I believe Judge Tynan tells him he shouldn't be "proud" of that. Judge Tynan asks the defendant's rank when he went in the Navy. "E4," he replies. Judge Tynan responds, "Well, I was only an E3."

11:00 AM
DDA Frances Young enters. She's wearing a deep purple jacket with her long black skirt.  The last defendant is being released from the Impact program.  I believe he's ordered back on December 4th for a preliminary hearing. Judge Tynan's court reporter lets out a loud sneeze.  Public Defender Mark DeWitt jokingly comments, "That's a sneeze for the records." Judge Tynan joins in on the humor, "For the Guinness Records" he adds. DDA Carney arrives. Becker, who was in the courtroom for a short time earlier, returns.

I have a quote in my notes here, that I remember Judge Tynan addressing a defendant, but I'm not sure if it's regarding a new defendant who just entered or an earlier case. "I want you to write one thousand words about what you did, why you did it and how you're not going to do it again.  My bailiff will give you some stamped papers ... with some questions on it."  This is one of the ways Judge Tynan tries to get the defendants before him to look be introspective about their own behavior.

11:17 AM
I think we're about to go on the record with Becker. There's a discussion in the well between the court reporter and counsel.  I believe the court reporter asks, "What's your favorite movie and why."  There is another question that I believe she asks, "Where do you get your news and if the Internet, which sites."  The AP reporter is asking Carney some questions.  DDA Francis Young replies her movie is Top Gun, and Donald Re responds, The Godfather.  Young tells the group she was a "quasi navy brat."

11:27 AM
Detective Greg Stearns is called to the stand.  He brings a very large three ring binder with him.  Stearns gives his background. He was the lead investigating officer for this case.  He responded to the location on Viewsite Drive. He conducted a search of the residence and found a business card that included an email address belonging to the defendant. Detective Stearns found a set of architectural plans on top of a fire place (in one of the lower levels).

People's exhibit #35, the structure's architectural plans. Stearns also found the multicolored, code check book for California.

SC: Is that the same booklet identified as exhibit 51, that I showed to Mr. Bescos?
GS: Yes, it is.
SC: Did you also find a contract with Tressor Entertainment, US, LLC?
GS: Yes.
SC: Where was that found?

Detective Stearns checks his report to refresh his memory.

GS: I believe it was in the office area.
SC: Exhibit #36, ... a contract. ... Appears to be a photo of the first page of the contract?
GS: Yes.
SC: Did you also seize a computer at some point?
GS: Not from the house.

A computer was seized from Mr. Becker at some point after the interview with the arson investigator, and also a (cell) phone. Detective Stearns believes something else was seized from a residence where the defendant was staying with a friend. Both items were submitted to Detective Hunter for review.

SC: The location agreement, had that contract been initialed on each page and signed?
GS: Yes.

The contract was between Tressor Entertainment and Gerhard Becker.

SC: Did the contract state ... that there was a move-in date of February 24th, 2011?
GS: Yes.
SC:And the date of the fire was February 16th?

The contract was for filming Germany's Next Top Model.  Gerhard Becker was to be paid $100,000.00 for filming at the Viewsite residence.  Detective Stearns acquired several search warrants to obtain copies of Becker's emails.

People's exhibit #37, a copy of the authentication document for records received from Microsoft. The search was for the email address just presented.

SC: Did you receive...
DRe: Objection! There is no foundation that these were received by ... written to Mr. Becker.

I miss the ruling.  Detective Stearns testifies that he verified the exchange of emails from Becker's email account and a couple of different employees of Colorado Hearth & Home, regarding the ordering of several fire pits.  The text of the few emails are read in court.

From Colorado Hearth & Home to the defendant:
Okay, are you aware that the manufacturers specifications ... they are only for outdoors. ... want to be sure before you buy these.
This was in regards to burner troughs described in prior emails. Mr. Re object that there is no foundation. I believe the ruling is it's admitted for the purposes of the preliminary hearing only. There are questions about whether or not Becker informed Tressor Entertainment, that they were aware of the modifications to the house (the missing guard rail and the missing fire sprinklers).  Mr. Re objects but DDA Carney states the information is relevant to Becker's state of mind.  Carney reads from an email Becker sent Tressor Entertainment about the building code violations and wanted to ensure Tressor would hold Becker harmless if anyone gets hurt. Judge Tynan over rules the objection.

A new set of emails are reviewed between Becker and his realtor. Re objects because hey are well after the incident. DDA Carney states these also go to Becker's state of mind. The email is after the fire. It's after he was told to install outdoor sprinklers. Becker rips them out. After the fire, he puts them back in for code check then, complaining to the realtor that he doesn't like how they look, he wants to take them out again.  The objection is over ruled.

The listing agent for Becker's house is Marci Hartley.  DDA Carney goes over Becker's communication questions to Ms. Hartley about removing the sprinklers before the sale.  The three options Becker gives in the email are presented.  1. De-install again after the final. 2. Leave and paint. 3. Cover with drywall so that heads are the only thing seen.

People's exhibit #39, it's a text of the email just discussed without the header and raw data information.  People's exhibit #40, another email from the defendant to a Mr. Jeff McQueen. It's a chain of emails.  The emails discuss a Gel Fireplace.  A Gel fireplace is a ventless fireplace that uses ethanol as fuel. People's exhibit #53, an email exchange between Becker and a Walter Hanes (sp?).

In the email, Becker wants to order this fireplace. "I want this installed after the inspection so that we don't have any further delay by the inspector."

A text message is introduced for the purpose of the preliminary hearing only.  That Detective Hunter was called, sworn and testified that he obtained this text message that Detecitve Stearns submitted to him. Re will only stipulate that the detective (Hunter?) pulled this off Becker's cell phone.

Carney asks Stearns if he is familiar with text messaging. The text message was sent 1/31/2011, a couple of weeks before the fire.
Hi Jose, Did you (use/take) already all the tiles or can I have four back? I forgot to make one fireplace.
 Sent to a phone number belonging to Jose Briseno. Briseno was a general contractor who worked for the defendant on site. A photo of the bathroom fireplace is up on the screen.

SC: Did you talk to Mr. Briseno about what tiles?
GS: Yes. ... They were 12" x 12" tiles.
SC: They were ones affixed to the back of the fireplace?
GS: Yes.

The lunch break is called. Judge Tynan orders the parties back by 1:45 PM.

1:30 PM
I forgot to mention that a reporter named Andrew from the LA Times was here for part of the morning.  Andrew is back for the afternoon session. Andrew's colleague, Andrew Blankstein sent him over to cover the prelim. There's some laughter and conversation between the court and the parties in the well.

1:48 PM
The crime reporter from the AP arrives.  Detective Stearns retakes the stand.

People's exhibit #38, a text message recovered from Becker's phone.

SC: You interviewed Mr. Briseno?
GS: Yes.
SC: Was he one of the contractors?
GS: Yes.
SC: Did you ask Mr. Briseno if he received a text message?
GS: Yes, I did.
SC: Did you ask him when he received it? ... text message?
GS: Yes. ... Two weeks before. ... There was tile that was excess. He delivered it back to Mr. Becker.
SC: Did you have a conversation with Mr. Bescos regarding gel fireplaces?
GS:: Actually, that conversation was before that.
SC: When was that?
GS: Three to four months ago.
SC: Did you ask Mr. Bescos whether a gel fireplace could be installed in California?
GS: He said that it's not allowed because it's not a listed appliance.

People's exhibit 36A, the full contract between Tressor Ent. and Gerhard Becker. Stearns verifies that it's an accurate copy of the contract that was retrieved from Mr. Becker's house.

SC: Did you speak with Greg Steck of Hearth Products Construction Company?
GS: Yes.
SC: Did you meet with him?
GS: Yes.
SC: In Ohio?
GS: Yes.
SC: Was that at the company?
GS: Yes, at the company.

People's exhibit #54, a photo of a packaged product from Hearth Products.

SC: Did you discuss with Mr. Steck how a product is shipped?
GS: [Yes.] ... and he produced one and I took a photo.

Stearns discusses the photo of the packaged product. Stearns explains that the photo shows the standard way their product is shipped from their company. People's exhibit 55A and 55B. They're photos of the living room area of the house.  The defense will stipulate that the photos were found by Detective Hunter on (Becker's) iPhone for the purpose of the prelim only. A date of 1/21/2011 is mentioned but I'm not sure what it references.  The photos depict the fire trough enclosure and where the trough was cut out.  The meta data has a date of 9/23/2010.  The enclosure for the trough is built but the trough is not there.  Another photo is of a bathroom.   Counsel stipulate that Detective Hunter extracted the photo from the iMac Computer.  The photo is of a bathroom fireplace near a tub that's located on the 2nd floor.  The photo depicts that there is no tile.  The photo is dated 10 days before the text message to the contractor.

Another email is discussed that was retrieved via the search warrants for Becker's email account. There are photos attached to the email.   These are People's exhibits 53 and 52.  One photo is of a new fireplace.  The photos were sent to Mr. Becker.

SC: In your conversations with Greg Steck, did you ask if whether or not the company had ever been sued over product liability?
GS:Yes.
DRe: Objection!

I believe DDA Carney argues that counsel brought up this issue in cross. Judge Tynan will allow for limited (effect?) on credibility.

GS: He said they had not.
SC: Did he have any (diagrams?) with gas appliances similarly installed in this case?
GS: Yes, he did.

Carney presents a digital exhibit in three dimensions.  It's a computer aided diagram.  Mr. Re objects. He's not seen it.  Carney explains he only brought it in for the court, because the court had previously inquired about a diagram.

SC: Did you interview the person who worked at the Viewsite house for (electrical?)?
GS: Yes.
SC: Who was that?
GS: Amir Schinter (sp?)
DRe: Objection! It's irrelevant what Mr. Schinter thinks.
JT: (Objection over ruled?)

My next set of notes appear to be argument by DDA Carney. I don't believe they are testimony.

Mr. Schinter was the electrical contractor. 1. He told detectives he had a (difficult?) relationship with Becker.  Becker wanted to do things in violation of the Building Code so Mr. Schinter quit.  2. At one point, he observed what would be a fireplace enclosure and Becker told him "No."  3. This supports Besco's statement he asked about Becker about a fireplace and Becker said no.

Mr. Re responds, "I hate to say (it's) ... really getting far afield. .... I think it's too far afield."

My notes are not clear who is speaking, if it's DDA Carney or Detective Stearns explaining.

Mr. Schinter first met Becker in 2010. (He was referred?) based on a neighbor and engaged in May 2010 to work on the project.  Becker was asking Schinter about the speed of the project. The first floor wiring. The defendant wanted some things taken out and his own wiring put in.   Bescos testified the original wiring was code.  The monster wire that Becker wanted installed, although bigger, didn't meet code.  Becker took out the original wiring Mr. Schinter did. When Schinter returned to the work site and saw the electrical work had been changed, it was troubling. He stopped working for Becker.  Schinter told Detective Stearns about a conversation he had with Becker about the fireplace and the structure used as a fireplace and Becker denied it.  The article in the paper about the fire is what led the electrical contractor (to contact LE?).

Direct is finished and cross examination begins.

DRe: Mr. Schinter, did he tell you he quit?
GS: Yes.
DRe: When did he (start?)?
GS: He started in May 2010. ... would have to look at (his) statement to verify. I don't have independent memory of when he quit.

Detective Stearns looks through his paperwork.

GS: He indicated he left the job in November 2010.
DRe: Did you go into depth in ...
GS: He was a licensed electrical contractor. ... He found people that were doing work, electrical work [on the property?], as I understand it and he wasn't going to be responsible for it.
DRe: He stopped doing work at the house and called that quitting?
GS: Yes.

People's exhibit 55A, a photo of inside the house.  It's a long range photo of a cut-out on the upper floor.  People's exhibit 55B shows a cut out in the middle. The date of the photos is pinned to 9/23/10.  The photo shows the flat portion of the fireplace area.  A small portion, a middle of the space where the metal trough would go.

DRe: In September, that cut out area was already there?
GS: Yes.

There is some more back and forth about this photo and what the detective could testify to regarding what the photo shows.

DRe: The photo was taken five to six weeks before the final?
GS: A couple of months.

Detective Stearns states that is appears something that, when they executed the search warrant there was a space left that is similar to the space in the photo.

DRe: Who was Mr. Brisneo ?
GS: Contractor on the project.

He worked on some closets.

DRe: And he told you at some time, he saw what he thought was a fireplace on the upper floor? ... When was that?

Detective Stearns looks to that individuals' statement.

2:25 PM
Judge Tynan calls the afternoon break.  It passes quickly and we're back on the record.  The parties stipulate that Mr. Brisneo said he had worked on some closets from sometime between early to late September 2010.  Another photo is shown to Detective Stearns. He believes it is the bottom floor. There are tiles in the alcove of the fireplace near the tub. Mr. Brisneo said they were similar to tiles he had delivered to Mr. Becker.  There are questions about the construction of the fireplace and how it had to be constructed.

DRe: You're not saying that because the tile was installed on that date, that the trough assembly was installed on that date?
GS: No.
DRe: Did you ever see a gel fireplace installed in this place, ever?
GS: No.
SC: Objection! Foundation!
JT: Well, Mr. Re did object earlier.

I think Mr. Re has a bit of surprise in his voice when he denies making an objection. There's a bit of laughter among counsel.

DRe: Are you aware of a gel fireplace ever being installed in this residence?
GS: No.

Mr. Re asks Detective Stearns what he knew Mr. Bescos said about "Wait until the final and then you can remove it? Stearns replies, "No."  There are questions about the emails to the real estate agent and that they might have been questions Becker had about what to do was best.

DRe: Do you know if the sprinkler system was removed?
GS: No, I do not.
DRe: [The contract with Tressor, people's #36A] Do you know the date that contract was written?
GS: The date of execution was 2/11/2011, six days before the fire.
DRe: Did you come across emails from Germany's Next Top Model?
GS: Yes.

Detective Stearns doesn't have an independent memory of the dates of the emails.  I believe Re asks Stearns if he recalls Mr. Bescos' testimony.  I believe Detective Stearns reviews the documents.

DRe: Does that refresh your memory about what you put in your affidavit?  ... The fireplace had been covered over?
GS: That was my [understanding].

Cross is finished and there's no redirect.  DDA Carney tells the court they do have some stipulations that they all agree to.  DDA Young tells the court about testimony they would have heard from the medical examiner. Dr. Ortiz performed the autopsy on 2/19 at 11:30, LA Co Coroner case number 2011-01252, (I don't think I have that number correct. Sprocket.)  Dr. Ortiz's conclusion, he would opine that the cause of death was in layman's terms, the result of trapped debris of a roof, that prevented normal ambulatory ... constriction of lungs ... presented by the presence of petechiae.

Re states this is for the purpose of the prelim only. The court takes the stipulation. Re also has stipulations regarding what Mr. Bescos did or told Mr. Becker. I believe the first stipulation is that Mr. Bescos did not inform Mr. Becker that the insulation was an approved fire block. [Mr. Bescos] never checked the second and third levels. He never checked where the wall meets the attic. Mr. Bescos stated I don't care about insulation. I care about electrical and (framing?). Most (interestingly?) Mr. Bescos said, that fireplace could have been there in September.  Mr. Bescos used the example of pool alarms as to how to get around the codes.  Re adds Mr. Bescos' comment that residences are not (as important?). It's not a Macey's.

DDA Carney states they will stipulate for the purpose of the preliminary hearing only. DDA Carney offers to admit the exhibits by reference only. Re moves to object to all exhibits he's objected to previously. Re then mentions the defense exhibits.
 Defense Arguments
The defense goes first. Re states that Mr. Becker and (Fiana?) were sleeping in the home at the time the fire broke out. It shows a level of non-knowledge.  People v. Penny.

Re goes through a list of items. The warnings, the combustible fire stops, the wonder board. Re states that Fire Investigator Thost didn't seem to know that insulation couldn't be used as a fire stop. Re states that the people have talked about the reason for the fire was lack of venting, but he still doesn't see how that caused the fire to be drawn down.  Re goes over the various issues with Mr. Besco's testimony. The claim that Mr. Bescos said Mr. Becker told him there would be no fireplace.

The fire stops. No mention in his report about his discussion with Mr. Becker about fire insulation and fire stops.  Mr. Bescos mentions it 19 months after the fire. He first told the DA (when?) he was interviewed (about the?) fire stops.  Go to his computer notes, they don't mention fire blocks. His hand notes in September mention fire stops.  He admits that relates to the water heater and added later. I suggest to the court that he added that note after the fire.  The question is, did he inspect fire stops? "He came here and said he did inspect, yet, told the DA he didn't. ... He didn't check to see what type of insulation was okay. ... So he either lied to the DA or he lied her on the stand." It gives a glimpse into his motive. I suggest he removed from the records any notes about fire blocks.

We know that he is willing to blame Mr. Becker for this because he said he inspected fire blocks. I said before, in (the?) initial report he says shocked he didn't know there were any fireplaces.  The "covered over" issue in regards to fireplaces.  Re argues that Bescos had a self-interest for dereliction of duty for how he testified on the stand. We know this is a man who is wiling to alter his records because he added (the note about?) the water heater. I suggest he knew there would be a fireplace. I suspect that he didn't know that Mr. Becker took so many photos.  Re goes over the photos. Mr. Bescos says that he never saw it. He tells the DA that could have been there in September .... possibly talked about a fireplace in September. In here (on the stand), he tells us that he "means it was covered up at that time."  He tells the DA that it was covered up. Then he comes in here again and says that he saw pebbles and tile, two years later is the first time (we hear about it). Why didn't he tell the fire inspector?

Re continues. "He said oh, they're not for a fireplace. Those are for display." Re argues, "That's ridiculous ... that,  ... no one would display anything 18" off the ground.  Re continues to argue to show what he believe the photos show. That the gas line was there, and Bescos identified it as a gas line.  Re proposes that Mr. Bescos was lying.  Re then presents another case that was ruled entrapment by estoppel, to support his argument that this case is the same issue. Re continues to argue for his client but I stop to rest my note taking. Re brings up the Building Code, and the fact that the city can't be sued ... it's because of civil suits. It has nothing to do with Mr. Becker and his house that they signed off on.

3:25 PM
There is a short break. I have in my notes some information about Judge Tynan's court. If I'm remembering correctly, those of us in the jury box ask the court or his staff a few questions.

Judge Tynan used to preside over Dept. 113 before moved to Dept. 42.  The chair that is between the bailiff's desk and the door to the jail holding area is the chair that Richard Ramirez sat in during his 14 month trial. The dolls and stuffed animals that are piled up in the witness box are gifts people dropped off. They help to relax people; make them feel better.

I believe I had mentioned previously that I had noticed high up on a wall ledge over the clerk's desk, an old toy that I couldn't identify. It's finally identified. It's an Inspector Gadget doll. He was originally in Judge Tynan's old courtroom. Someone mailed that to Judge Tynan as a Christmas gift.  Judge Tynan tells the room, "I have a rather fun bunch of staff I work with." Judge Tynan mentions the Ramirez case he presided over and that he sentenced Ramirez in 1989.  The DDA who prosecuted the case, Phil Halpin is also mentioned. DDA Carney mentions that his father was a deputy DA. "When I was a boy I remember him talking about Phil Halpin. ... Some of Dad's office mates talked about him."  There's more discussion about the case.  The name of the saloon, Little Joe's, that everyone went to after court ended for the day.

Prosecution Arguments
DDA Carney uses a PowerPoint program to help present his arguments. [Lets] "Bring this case back to what it's all about. Mr. Bescos is not on trial. .. What let to the fire is this defendant's construction and this ludicrous fireplace made of wood. ... That is sufficient because no reasonable person would build a fireplace out of wood." (A fire) would eventually have happened. "My three year old knows the difference between indoor and outdoor yet he put them in there anyway. ... And that's what caused the fire. .. What caused the fire was the defendant's arrogance, because he thought he knew better. ... Because he was in charge in Europe. ... It was made out of combustible materials.  ... The burner was put in wood.  ... Even if there was approved fire block it wouldn't eliminate the defendant for his liability."

Because of the ceiling collapse, because of the (defendant's?) conduct, the fire breaks is just an aside. When he built, put in these fireplaces, there were no fire breaks. The expert, he described what he saw as free flow of fire. "We know who built that wall; the defendant did. He said so in his interview with fire inspectors," Carney states. "We know that he was warned by the vendor who supplied the device."

He would break out his code book. He held himself out to be an expert. He would argue the code. Even after a firefighter dies in his house, he tells the contractor ... that's rebuilding his house ... sends an email that he want to put in a gel fireplace, (which is) not an approved appliance, after the final inspection.  "Not only was he the one building a fireplace that killed Glenn Allen, but he was ready to do it again," Carney argues.

Carney goes over the 911 call. He mentions the burned out wooden supports in the false ceiling that collapsed. Carney mentions the testimony of Captain Watters, and the hole venting. We can see in that photo, flames venting out of the attic space. "There was nothing that retarded the flow of that fire into the ceiling," says Carney.  "The aftermath. Glenn Allen was covered in very heavy construction materials. ... He was compressed into a clam shell (position). He couldn't breathe and he dies. ... any reasonable person would have known because of the warnings on the product."

Glenn Allen died because the defendant used an outdoor fireplace inside. The interior of the fireplace was made of combustible materials, two-by-four framing next to the burners. There was no venting 18" under the trough. The fire spread rapidly due to the failure to install any fire stops.

Carney then moves onto Becker's interview. He admits to installing the fire appliance and building the enclosure. Carney quotes the defendant in the interview. "I designed it. I built it. ... I did the drywall work around the fireplace because I wanted it done right. ... I ordered the fireplace myself."

The fire burned the available combustibles. The left control box, the fire burned around the box itself. DDA Carney presents a photo. When the defendant ordered the fireplace, the email from the distributor said, "You are aware that the manufacturer's specifications...."  The defendant replied, "I'm aware, I just don't see the difference. It is a pit with a pipe. I am aware that I have to cover the area with fire resistant (materials)."  Warning instructions about the fire pit were included with the appliance.  Carney tells the court, "Becker followed none of them. ... Mr. Becker engaged with a pattern of deception in this case. ... Mr. Becker had contempt for Building and Safety. ... In August 2010, Mr. Becker told Building and Safety he did not plan to install any fireplace in the home."  The original plans had one.

Carney then moves onto Dale Feb's testimony.  "Because as Dale Feb said, because the building code says that even though the inspector approved (construction?) it doesn't relieve the builder of the responsibility."  You don't build a fireplace out of wood. The defendant absolutely knew he was violating safety standards.  Carney gives an example of police not catching criminals, bank robbers.  Carney adds, "Building and Safety is not to ensure everything complies with the code, it's to try to ensure that it does." Dale Feb said, "What we rely on is like anything else in our society is the good faith that the builder (would build to standards)."

Carney mentions again that Becker told Bescos there would be no fireplace. He mentions the plan of deception emails Becker wrote that say, "after inspection." He tells the electrician to install wiring that's not to code. Carney says, "The arrogance of listing Building & Safety violations in a contract is amazing to me."  Carney reads from the contract. "The Building and Safety violations in the house, ... So for Mr. Re to say that Mr. Becker relied on Building & Safety is entirely ludicrous."

Mr. Becker didn't mention in the contract the fireplaces were out of code. The carbon monoxide went back into the lower bedroom. The same bedroom that if not for the upstairs fire would have occurred in where those models would have lived.  Carney mentions another email Becker sent after a firefighter died in his house. Carney argues that for the defense to say that Mr. Becker relied on Brad Bescos, totally disregards the emails to the real estate agent, about removing fire suppressant sprinklers on the lower floors.

Carney accuses Becker of gross negligence.  He cites speed and cost.  The appropriate fireplace (that was eventually installed) cost at least $30,000.00.  Carney argues the Becker's building was total gross negligence.  "Any reasonable person, having seen all the red flags, with his background, knowledge, ... would certainly have known."  Carney states the fireplace need not be the sole cause of Glenn Allen's death. If (independent?) cause brings death ... still causation if (independent?) cause foreseeable, or the type of injury caused was death.

Defense counter argument
Main issue is the fireplace downstairs. The question of the insulation, fire breaks, again goes back to Mr. Bescos. Mr. Re addresses the warnings on the products.  "Those warnings are put on products by the company to avoid product liability." There's no evidence Mr. Becker put in a gel fireplace. "There is only a crime here if the acts were done in a particular way."  Re argues the intention of the code regulations, ... and what it means.  "The people are going into his mental stand and what his [Becker] mental state is. ... I f the court should find construction improper, is the defendant responsible in the face of a government authority that passes it?  And if the court says it can't I don't know where that leaves it."  Re mentions the mental state again.

Judge Tynan
The arguments are over and the court gives it's ruling. "Mr. Bescos is a problematic witness for the prosecution."  Mr. Re asks the court, "Do you want Mr. Becker to stand?" Judge Tynan replies, "I don't see why. We're all sitting here."

"I want to compliment all the attorneys. It's been a genuine pleasure to be here." Judge Tynan is concerned by the structure, the box the fire pit was put into, is on 18" high and the flame goes 16" high and the drywall above it." I'm convinced that Mr. Becker, as charming a fellow as he is, was deceptive in the building construction. ... I think he acted recklessly."  Judge Tynan is terribly sorry that Mr. Allen died. Judge Tynan states that he thinks Mr. Becker should be (committed over?) for trial and there is sufficient evidence that Mr. Becker is guilty.

The 2 million bond is discussed. Judge Tynan states that the date of arraignment will be December 16th in Dept. 116. Mr. Becker is still out on bail and his bail will stand. The court orders a pre-plea report.

The prosecution needs a moment to check with their supervisor to determine if they are going to file/claim 170.6 against having the case transferred to Dept. 116. It's just a matter of seeing if Bill Hodgeman is within arm's reach.  While this issue gets resolved (the case does get transferred to Dept. 116), Judge Tynan and his court reporter share with the room how she came to be assigned to Judge Tynan.

And that's it for the preliminary hearing.

Gerhard Becker Quick Links


Veterans Day 2013

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U.S. Navy Memorial in Washington, DC. (Source)

This is a portion of a post originally published in May 2012 and republished on Memorial Day 2013. Sprocket.

My father was a WWII veteran.  He enlisted while still attending high school.  He reported to the Great Lakes Naval Training Center immediately upon graduation.  He shipped out of San Diego and served in the Pacific on a navy war ship.  His ship was under fire and he saw combat.  When his ship was hit with artillery, fellow shipmates fell around him.  In the mid fifties the Navy honored him with a miniature Iwo Jima statue because his ship was close to that action.

If you are near a Veterans Memorial today, please try to stop by and visit.

Rasmussen v. Stephanie Lazarus - Civil Case

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Sherri Rae Rasmussen, murdered by Stephanie Lazarus

UPDATED 11/14: Clarity
Tuesday, November 12, 2013
There was a hearing today in the Rasmussen family civil suit against Stephanie Lazarus for the murder of their daughter, Sherri.  Nels and Loretta Rasmussen are suing Lazarus for wrongful death. Although the Rasmussen's lost their suit against the Los Angeles Police Department, their case against Lazarus continues to go forward.

I arrived at the Stanley Mosk Courthouse at about 8:15 AM. The line to get in the building was wrapped half way around the side street. I didn't know if I would make it inside in time. My friend Matthew McGough arrived a few minutes later. 

Up on the fifth floor, the hallway was a sea of dark suited men and women.  There were very few casually dressed people in the hallway. John Taylor was sitting on a hallway bench, waiting for Dept. 48 to open. He was wearing a medium grayish-beige suit with a subdued pattern in the threads.

When I arrived John Taylor indicated that it would just be a status conference and a request to the judge to trail Lazarus'criminal appeal. For her criminal appeal, Lazarus is represented by attorney Donald Tickle of Volcano, California. Once her appeal has been heard and ruled on then Taylor would present a motion for summary judgement against Lazarus in the civil case.

This is the same strategy Taylor used for the Clarkson family lawsuit against Phil Spector, and to me it makes the most sense. Taylor also indicated that Mark Overland is Lazarus' attorney of record.  Apparently, Overland's criminal defense of Lazarus also included representation for a single appeal. Overland's representation is not an 'appeal' per se, but a defense. I'm not surprised he would defend Lazarus in the civil case and not the criminal appeal.  Appeals are usually handled by counsel who specialize in those cases. Overland did not make the hearing today.

When Dept. 48 opened, we entered and sat in the front row.  Most of these courtrooms in the Stanley Mosk Courthouse are quite small.  They are not like the courtrooms that are depicted on most crime dramas, with lots of space and a stately bench for the judge. They are little square boxes. In the gallery, there were six seats across on each side of the single center aisle, and four rows, making a total of 48 individual seats.

Due to the fiscal crisis in California, there have been severe budget cuts to the LA County Superior Court. The court no longer provides a court reporter in civil cases. If a plaintiff wants to have a record of a court proceeding, they must pay for a court reporter themselves. It's my understanding that a court reporter can cost $750.00 a day, or $350.00 for half a day. And, there isn't a deputy in the courtroom either.  They were replaced by a civilian assistant of some sort, who ends up helping the clerk with their work. The court clerk does keep minutes of the judge's rulings for the case file, but that's it.  Civil cases that request a jury trial (as opposed to a bench trial), must pay the court a deposit ($150.00) and pay jury fees.  The clerk prepares a bill to the plaintiff at the end of the week.

When Judge Elizabeth Allen White takes to the bench, my first impression is of a woman straight out of the 50's. She's wearing glasses and has short brown hair. Three other cases are heard first. There is a final ruling in a car jacking case where an individual was injured. There was a case against the Walt Disney company that is given a trial date in October, next year. Another case where only one attorney showed up. The defendant's counsel did not respond to some motions filed by the plaintiff. The plaintiff's attorney then decided on a bench trial instead of a jury trial.  Next, the Rasmussen case was called.

Taylor tells Judge White where the criminal appeal stands regarding the filed briefs. The Attorney General's responding brief was filed on November 8, 2013. A trial date of May 12, 2014 is put on Judge White's calendar. A final, pre-trial status conference of May 7, 2013 is also scheduled.  And that's it.

At minimum, it could take at least two months or more for Lazarus' defense to file a responding brief to the Attorney General's response.  It will probably be another couple of months after that before oral arguments are scheduled.  Then, the state has about two months to issue a ruling on the appeal.

I am still trying to get a copy of Lazarus' appeal brief, just to see the arguments that were raised. For some unknown reason, the LA County Library has not been able to locate a copy of the brief yet.  As soon as I get it, I will publish it.

Once Taylor moves for a summary judgement in this case, it will be up to Judge White to make a determination as to what the damages will be. In wrongful death suits, it's usually the spouse who is in first position to sue. Next in line after a spouse are children; after that are parents.  It's my understanding that John Ruetten does not want any part of this civil lawsuit against Lazarus. Since John and Sherri didn't have children, that leaves her parents.  There's loss of love, affection and pain and suffering.  It's difficult to understand how a value can be placed on a human life, but somehow, the court must do exactly that.

It's unknown what Mark Overland's strategy will be, once the criminal appeal is finished. Most likely, Taylor will put Nels and Loretta Rasmussen on the stand to describe the relationship they had with their daughter. From that testimony, Judge White will first decide compensatory damages then punitive damages. It's my understanding that Lazarus' pension cannot be attached by a lawsuit. The modest home she bought in Simi Valley after the 1994 earthquake is now in her husband's name. There are no big assets to go after, like there were in the Spector case. However, once Judge White makes her ruling on damages, that will follow Lazarus for life.

After the hearing, Matthew and I dropped by the Law Library to check on the status of obtaining a copy of Lazarus' appeal.  Next hearing date: May 7th, 2014.

Gerhard Becker & Cameron Brown Updates

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Thursday, November 14, 2013
Gerhard Becker
Last I heard, Gerhard Becker was scheduled for a pretrial hearing this morning.  The case was listed on the District Attorney's weekly calendar for this week. However, when I received the daily calendar late yesterday evening, the Becker case wasn't listed.  It was too late to call the courtroom or the court's public information office. So this morning, I thought I would go to court just in case the hearing was still on but not listed on the calendar.

While I was trying to grab an elevator in the lobby, I waved hello to DDA Beth Silverman, who with her tiny figure was able to squeeze into a packed elevator.

I didn't get up to Dept. 104 on the 9th floor until 8:30 AM. I did not see Mr. Becker or his defense attorney Donald Re in the hallway, so I peeked inside Judge Perry's courtroom. I didn't see anyone inside the courtroom either. I could tell that there were counsel in the well setting up for trial.  I asked Judge Perry's clerk, Melody, if Becker had been rescheduled. She informed me the case was rescheduled about two weeks ago to December 3rd. She didn't know the reason.  I thanked her and then headed out to the hallway to decide what to do next.

On the drive into downtown, I had heard Eric Leonard of local radio station KFI give a report on the Andrea Spaccia trial, part of the larger Bell City Counsel public corruption scandal.  Spaccia, who has been charged with 13 counts, was Bell's former assistant city manager.  Eric's report indicated that after four days on the stand under direct, Spaccia would be under cross examination today.

When I get down to that end of the hallway, I see beautiful DDA Deborah Brazil quickly enter Dept. 102 with a large set of files. I wish I had asked her which case she was working.

Local CBS 2 on air reporter Dave Lopez told me that the Spaccia trial resumes at 9:30 AM.  That meant an entire hour to wait.   I'm still debating on whether to stay when more of the mainstream media start to show up.  I see the lovely Miriam Hernandez from local ABC 7, and Terri Keith from City News Service. Although it would be interesting to see a defendant under cross examination, I decided not to attend the hearing because I am not adequately familiar with the case, or the charges against Spaccia, to cover it.

Before I leave the courthouse, I log into the LA County Sheriff's inmate web site to check on Cameron Brown's next court date.  During the last hearing, Judge Lomeli ruled that Brown would be brought down to the courthouse to meet with Dr. Knapke, but that date had not been set yet. Brown's next scheduled date is November 15, 2013, so I'll be back down here tomorrow.

Huffington Post Article on Brown Case
Hunter Stuart of the Huffington Post has written an extensive article on the Brown case.  This Saturday, November 16, 2013, marks ten years that Brown has been in custody. I agreed to let Stuart use one of my photos I took of Inspiration Point for his article.

There are a couple of issues Stuart's article mentions that I will expand upon.

Although Brown had two trials that ended in hung juries, it should be noted that every juror in both trials voted for guilt. What the jurors were unable to agree upon was the degree of Brown's guilt.

In the first trial, two jurors voted for first degree, eight jurors voted for second degree and two jurors voted for involuntary manslaughter. Not a single verdict form was completed.

In the second trial, the jurors were deadlocked six to six.  Six jurors voted for second degree murder and six voted for involuntary manslaughter.  I was in the courtroom when Judge Pastor questioned the jury foreman. The jury foreman told Judge Pastor that not a single juror voted for first degree. Although on the surface, it would appear as if the jury found Brown not guilty of first degree murder, that is not the case.

In California, jury instructions are very specific as to how jurors are supposed to fill out the verdict forms, and in what order they are supposed to do it. Each juror has a copy of these instructions with them in the jury room.

Jurors are instructed that they must decide on the most serious charge, first.  That would be first degree murder.  They have to unanimously decide whether or not the defendant is guilty or not guilty of first degree murder. If they decide the defendant is guilty, then they fill out the first degree verdict form, sign it and their job is done.  However, if they decide the defendant is not guilty of first degree murder, they still have to fill out the verdict form, indicating the defendant is not guilty of that charge and sign it.  After that, they are to decide whether or not the defendant is guilty or not guilty of second degree murder. If the jury finds the defendant not guilty of second degree murder they complete the form and move onto the involuntary manslaughter charge.

In Brown's second trial, it is my understanding that although the jury foreman told the court that no one voted for first degree, the first degree verdict form was not filled out and signed. So legally, the jury never made a decision on that charge.

My understanding that the reason Brown has not been allowed bail, is because of the special allegation that Brown murdered his daughter for financial gain. Defendants who have this special allegation added to a first degree murder charge are not eligible for bail.

Stephanie Lazarus Criminal Appeal - Appellant's Opening Brief

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Stephanie Lazarus prison intake photo

Last week, I reported that Nels and Loretta Rasmussen's wrongful death lawsuit against Stephanie Lazarus is on hold until her criminal appeal is resolved.  Lazarus was convicted of the 1986 cold case murder of their daughter, Sherri Rae Rasmussen. Lazarus was found guilty of first degree murder in March 2012 and sentenced to 27 years to life.

Lazarus' opening brief was filed in June 2013. You can read the brief HERE.

The State Attorney General filed their response last week. I will post the respondent's brief as soon as I obtain a copy.

I am working on another Lazarus story and hope to publish soon.

Cameron Brown 3rd Trial, Pretrial 13 & Mark Berndt Takes A Plea

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Inspiration Point, Rancho Palos Verdes, CA
Lauren Serene Key, 4, fell or was thrown off this cliff Nov. 2000

UPDATED 11/22: spelling, clarity
Friday, November 15th, 2013
On Thursday, I received the 'advisory' from the District Attorney's office that there would be a pretrial hearing in the Mark Berndt case in Dept. 107 on Friday morning. When the district attorney's office sends out a notice like this to the media, it's a good bet that the defendant is taking a plea. Berndt, a Miramonte Elementary School teacher was arrested in January 2012 after a film processor notified police about images involving blindfolded children. T&T had reported on the Berndt case shortly after he was arrested. I wondered if the Brown case would go first or not.

When I arrive on the 9th floor of the downtown criminal court building, there's already a large media presence waiting outside Dept. 107.  I recognize a few local television on air personalities like NBC4's Toni Guinyard and Carlos Granda. Also in the crowd was a CNN reporter Lindy, who I met during one of the Spector trials.

Cameron Brown's wife Patty was waiting on a hallway bench. I made a point to say hello and tell her that she looked lovely in her wedding photo she provided for the recent Huffington Post article about her husband's case. I believe she asked me what all the media was here for and I told her it had to do with Mark Berndt, an elementary school teacher charged with lewd acts involving children that he labeled "tasting games."

A little after 8:30 AM, Judge Lomeli's bailiff (the same bailiff who was assigned to Judge Fidler's court in Spector 1), tells the group in the hall that the media will be allowed in first. We're asked to line up and show our media badges. I don't have a badge, but I'm hoping the bailiff will let me in anyway.  When I get to the door I tell him I don't have a badge but that I'm recognized by the court. Thankfully the bailiff tells me, "I know you," and I'm allowed in with the other journalists.

Inside Dept. 107, we're told to sit only in the first two rows. I get a seat in the second row behind City News reporter Terri Keith and the long-time Associated Press reporter. I happened to mention to Lindy and her associate (who were sitting to my left) that I was here for another case, Cameron Brown.  The gentleman to my left mentioned that his paper covered the Brown case, or rather his former associate, Denise Nix did.  I have read many articles by Daily Breeze reporter Larry Altman, but this is the first time I got to meet him in person.  Altman covers crime and courts for the South Bay area. I tell Altman that Nix did a phenomenal job covering the second trial closing arguments. The best I'd ever seen.

8:38 AM
DDA Craig Hum arrives and checks in with Judge Lomeli's clerk, David. With all this media here and the camera crews set up in the jury box, I'm thinking that Brown's hearing will be after Berndt's. DDA Hum is chatting with an attorney in the well that I later learn is Berndt's counsel.  There's lots of bustling going on in the gallery and the well.  Pat Kelly from the Public Information Office is here giving instructions to the photographers in the jury box.  The bailiff is chatting with the DDA on the Berndt case. Familiar faces, but I don't have names to go with them.

The first two rows in the gallery are jammed with media.  Once they were filled, then the bailiff allowed the public in the last two rows. DDA Hum comes over and speaks to Terri Keith. Hum explains that he told Judge Lomeli at the last Brown hearing that the court can't do a Marsden hearing when competency hasn't been decided.  Evidently Hum was wrong. The Supreme Court says you can. So Hum went back to Judge Lomeli on that issue.

8:40 AM
I learn from other journalists there were three DDA's on the Berndt case. Those of us in the second row get the names of the prosecutors from Terri Keith. If there's anyone who is a walking encyclopedia of significant cases and the names of the prosecutors on them, it's Terri Keith. DDA Gloria Marin is wearing the navy jacket. DDA Allison Meyers is in gray. DDA Darci Lanphere, wearing the green skirt, was on the case earlier but she is in a different unit now.  Some of the reporters ask about the Brown case and what his hearing is for.  The courtroom is packed with victim's parents, attorneys representing the families of the victims and more media. The sheriff's are setting up more chairs in the courtroom.  They are even considering putting people behind the photographers and video camera in the jury box.  We are told that the parents will be giving interviews on the 12th floor after the hearing.

Now Judge Lomeli's regular bailiff is addressing the media. His priority is to maintain court (comportium? decorum?). "We all know why we're here. ... My priority is the court decorum." If there are problems, the courtroom will be closed (to the public). "Those of you not in the media, no cell phones. Children, if they make noise, or you can't keep your composure, leave. ... we'll try to let you back in.  ... Everyone understand?"

Now a female deputy gets up to address the crows in Spanish. Then the court's Spanish interpreter starts speaking from the far side of the room and the deputy stops.

9:08 AM
Cameron Brown's defense attorney arrives and chats briefly with DDA Hum. There appeared to be a bit of a shock on Aron Laub's face when he entered, obviously unaware of the other hearing.

There are six sheriff's deputies inside Dept. 107 now.  It's confirmed. The Brown hearing will be after the Berndt hearing.  DDA Hum and Mr. Laub exit the courtroom.

9:22 AM 
It looks like things might get started soon. Berndt is brought out.

Mark Berndt Hearing

Defense attorney Manny Mendrano, left, Mark Berndt

Berndt is in an orange jumpsuit. People in the gallery sitting behind me start to weep. It's difficult to ignore the sound of their pain.

Judge Lomeli is on the bench. Counsel state their appearances for the record. Judge Lomeli asks, "I understand this is going to be a plea, is that correct?" I miss getting who answers him. Judge Lomeli asks the defendant, "Mr. Berndt, do you wish to be heard regarding sentencing at this time?"  His defense counsel answers the court, "Mr. Berndt has authorized me to speak on his behalf."

"Mr. Berndt expresses his thanks to the court and the prosecutor for the utmost professionalism in the year we have been working on this."  ... As you know, your honor, a case of notoriety or a high profile case, even when each side reach a decision not to speak to the media, there are leaks and innuendo, and frankly, there are misstatements. "We are here to set the record straight, " Mendrano continues.

Berndt sat looking straight ahead while his counsel spoke. Mr. Mendrano then turned to the gallery and addressed the gallery. "Mr. Berndt is profoundly sorry. ... He (has?) profound remorse for any pain and discomfort that he may have brought any victims and family members."

There are some statements about being concerned with other factors.  Mr. Berndt taught for over 30 years. He was a dedicated educator, well respected by teachers and peers at school.  He was loved by many.  After his arrest in January 2012, Mr. Berndt received a multitude of letters from the students and (other children?).  He cared for them and they cared. He cared for the many ... they cared for him.  "The last thing Mr. Berndt wanted to see was 23 child victims walk to that witness stand. And he didn't want that to happen. ... He readily admits to the 23 counts. ... Close with this. ... want to be very clear about this .Mr. Berndt is apologetic and remorseful for any conduct he engaged in that brought disrespect to the school."

Judge Lomeli asks the people if they wish to be heard on sentencing.  The people thank the court as to how they are handling this matter. One of the prosecutors states, "We are pleased with the defense position and are grateful that 23 children will not have to come forward."  Judge Lomeli states, "It's my understanding that is the people (?) that there will be several impact statements?" The people reply, "Yes, your honor."  Judge Lomeli states that they can do that now, or just before sentencing. The people state they would like it just before sentencing.

The defendant waives time for arraignment and judgement. Before the court will impose sentence, the court will turn to the people for the appropriate time to present impact statements.  The people have one house keeping matter, regarding the correct spelling of a name in count 21.  Judge Lomeli then addresses the defendant. He tells him that the prosecutor is going to advise him of your constitutional rights. It will require a response. To the extent you do not understand something, you must notify the court so you have an opportunity to consult with your attorney.

The people and the defense have reached an agreement of 25 years.  The defendant will plea to all 23 counts.

And then the prosecutor starts reading from a standard script.

DDA: Mr. Mark Berndt, is that your true and correct name?
MB: Yes.
DDA: And your date of birth (DOB) is that your true and correct date of birth?
MB: Yes.

The DDA reads the case number and asks if he understands the charges against him. "Yes," Berndt replies. The DDA mentions the agreed sentence of 25 years.  It's standard language the prosecutor is reading. The defendant states he will plead "no contest" to the charges.

DDA: You have to understand those rights and voluntarily give them up. ... You have the right to have a preliminary hearing in this matter. ... The people would have to present evidence. ... Do you waive and give up this right? ... You have the right to have a trial, either by a court or a jury.

The prosecutor explains a jury trial to the defendant.

DDA: At either type of trial, the people would have to prove each and every one of these counts beyond a reasonable doubt. ... Do you understand?
MB; Yes.
DDA: Do you waive and give up this right?
MB: Yes.

The prosecutor then moves onto Berndt's constitutional rights.

DDA: You have the right to confront and cross examine the witnesses against you.

There's more of this legal language, explaining each of his constitutional rights. For each right, the defendant is asked if he understands his rights and if he is giving up that right. It's explained to Mr. Berndt that after a trial, he would have the right to an appeal.

DDA: You no longer have the right to an appeal. Do you understand that?
MB: Yes.
DDA: I have to advise you, if you are not a citizen, you will be deported. Do you understand this?
MB: Yes.
DDA: By pleading to this count, you would be in violation of (?) or probation (that may be in effect). ... You will have to serve a minimum of 85% of your sentence.

The prosecutor explains the requirements he will be under if and when he is paroled. Each and every time her replies, yes, and that he understands.  He is told he will be required to pay any actual restitution. He does have a right to have a hearing to determine that restitution. It is the defendant's obligation to pay back any restitution determined by the court.The defendant will be required to provide a DNA sample and and AIDS testing sample.

The prosecutor tells Berndt that the charge is for the rest of his life.  He will be registered as a sex offender.  He will need to go to local law enforcement and register with them (if/when paroled). The defendant has an obligation to register in the new area if he moves. He will be required to register annually. If he fails to do so, it can be filed against him as a new and separate felony charge.
The counts are strike offenses. They are violent felonies. If the defendant violates the law, they can be used against him to increase punishment on any future crimes.

There is a possibility that, because of the nature of the crimes, the defendant can be eligible for commitment to a state psychiatric facility. If the defendant is found to be a sexually violent offender, he could spend the rest of his life in a state hospital.  I believe as part of his (registration?) he will have to pay a one time fine of $300.00.

There are no other concerns and the court has no inquiries. I'm not sure who makes it, but there is a request now to take the plea. I believe it's the prosecutor who continues to ask the defendant questions.
 
DDA: Before I take the plea, are you pleading freely and voluntarily?
MB: Yes.
DDA: Are you pleading because you feel it is your best interests to do so?
MB: Yes.
DDA: No one has threatened or persuaded you to do so?
MB: No.

Each of the 23 counts are read. Each and every time the defendant pleads, "No contest."

After the last count, his counsel addresses the court. "Mr Berndt does agree that there is direct and indirect touching of children. However, there is no evidence of 'overt' touching of a sexual part."

At this time both counsel join in a waiver (but I miss what that waiver is). Then the impact statements are taken. Those of us in the gallery are wondering if the court has allowed the victim impact statements to be filmed. I've seen them filmed in the past, but considering the charges, they may not be.  My only concern is the video camera and if it will be pointed at podium that's in front of the gallery.  As a woman approaches the podium, the video camera is still aimed at the defendant.

Most likely, Judge Lomeli stated the victim impact statements would not be filmed, but they would be heard on the video recording.

The first mother steps up to the podium. It's not in my notes but I believe most of the impact statements are presented via an interpreter.

"I am the mother of one of the 23 innocent victims that Mark Berndt impacted. Mr. Berndt sexually abused my child. He is violent and disgusting. .. He fed them semen on a spoon. He fed them semen on a cookie. He intimidated the children by blindfolding them (bondage) style and placing cockroaches on their faces. ... He has destroyed my child. She suffered serious, emotional injury, emotional distress.  She used to love eating cookies but now the thought of a cookie disgusts her. .. She's adverse to touching now, especially her eyes, where Mr. Berndt blindfolded her. ... No matter how much therapy she receives, she will be scarred for the rest of her life."

The prosecutor reads the second impact statement. "I could not be there today because I have to work." My notes are not clear at this point.  I believe I miss the rest of the prosecutor's reading and now have a third impact statement.

"Your honor, I beg for you to do justice as the mother of two girls who were the victims of someone who may not be called teacher. He is an animal. I want justice to be done." She starts to cry as she is speaking. "I want to be just and do the right thing so that other girls don't suffer the same thing. I know that my daughter's are not going to forget what happened to them, and unfortunately their lives may not be the same as children." The emotion on this mother's face is overwhelming. "My daughters went to school to learn, and not these type of things that were done to them."

The fourth impact statement is taken, another woman.

"I want to thank you, the (honor?) God, and justice, ... the people from CBS. And if it hadn't been for them and for you, we wouldn't have found out about all of this."  The woman is sobbing, outright crying. "My daughter is not the same anymore because this man, grabbed my daughter and told her everything that happened to him when he was a child. ... About this (deal?) and going into the stores and seeing movies for free. ... That he would go in and the other one would go in through the exit. ... I don't understand why the district wasn't aware of all of this. ... My daughter is clear on everything that was said about when he was a child. ... Why didn't he get psychological help? ... Why did he do this to my daughter?"  The woman continues to sob uncontrollably. "I'm destroyed. My daughter is destroyed. ... No more. ... No more. ... I leave it in justice's hands, because I have no hate in my heart. I have no hate in my heart and I don't know, how the person like this, to have the opportunity to work with children like these. Innocence is the most beautiful thing that a child could have. ... How could it be that the district didn't know all of this?"

This woman's sobbing is getting to me. I'm trying to keep my own eyes from tearing up. As I type this, I'm remembering her words, her emotion and I'm right back in that courtroom, experiencing her pain. Judge Lomeli addresses the mother. "Thank you mam. And, I'm sorry."

More people in the gallery are crying, sobbing. It's like a low, continuing wail coming from the back of the gallery.

The next impact statement is taken.

"The impact this has caused on my family is devastation. I don't wish to harm anyone. ... To know the damage that has been done to my daughter, by someone who was there to educate her. I wake up every morning, asking God to give me the strength to explain this to my daughter. How can I explain to a nine-year-old that one of her favorite teachers did something like this to her? ... My life has been changed forever and my daughter's life also. The first things I was concerned about was my daughter's emotional stability. ... While I locked myself into my room and cried, what could I do to my daughter?  What I will never forget, when I got the call from (?) to have my daughter checked. ... I asked myself, crying, how could that have been done to my daughter? Why didn't I notice. ... If it hadn't been for the help from the psychologist .... I'm very nervous."  Judge Lomeli addresses the woman. "It's okay mam. Take your time."  It's obvious the woman is very upset.

"I will try. ... It's been very hard and continues to be very hard. I want justice for my daughter and for all the children that have suffered. That's all I have to say."  The court responds, "Thank you mam."  Weeping continues to be heard in the gallery.

The next woman who steps up to the podium, is trying to maintain her composure as she speaks.

"I think he deserves a little bit more. I don't think he is sorry for what he's done to the kids. If he would have been sorry he would never have done that to the kids."  She addresses the letters the defendant has received in jail. "I think they should give him more than 25 years." She then tells the court she thinks it should be like in the days when they had burned them in woods. No other parents can know what they've been going through.  "Sometimes my daughter doesn't sleep with the light on. ... I have to cook for her.  ... she won't even buy anything to do with cookies.  She won't even socialize. I ask that you give him more than what he's asking."

Another statement, handed in from one of the attorneys in the gallery, a statement from an individual not on the witness list. It is handed to the clerk who then gives it to Judge Lomeli.  There are no other impact statements. Judge Lomeli reads the statement then asks if there is anything further on behalf of counsel.  There's nothing from the defense.  Judge Lomeli asks, "Defense, do you waive time for sentence?"  "So waive," is the response.

Judge Lomeli addresses the last mother who testified. "She asked that I give him more time than proposed. ... Understand that Mr. Berndt did ask (for?) less time, and the district attorney's office did go along with that. He chose to give the offer that was given to him. ... Coupled with his age ... this could amount to a life sentence. ... (The mother stated she) ... would like to see him burned to the stake, but I'm not able to do that (nor would I)."

The court agrees with the recommended sentence. The court is going to impose the following with respect to defendant's sentence.

Count 1, three years.
Counts 2 through twelve the mid-terms, 2 years each per count.
Two through thirteen amount to 22 years.
Coupled with count one, those will be (composed?) consecutive.
Counts 13 to 23 low term of three years, time less for on count 1.

I'm showing a total credit in the 656 days. He is entitled to 15% credit, will add an additional 99 days equals (759? ??) days. I know there is a request for opposing custody time. That the defendant be housed in protective custody. Obviously, that discretion lies with the sheriff's deputies (?) and how they classify the defendant. Court will make that recommendation. There is information about the victim's compensation board and that future restitution is yet to be decided. It's unknown at this time. The court will put it on the people to put it on the calendar should that situation arise. Mr. Berndt and his counsel waive his appearance at any restitution hearing.

There are more rulings about registering with local law enforcement as a life time sexual offender. There are fees for each count that the court imposes. There are specific counts where the sentences is concurrent. The prosecutor mentions something about the fines and accuracy of the fines. The prosecution moves that all photos (be received?) into evidence. There is something about dismissing allegations based on (?).

The court asks the defense if there is anything on behalf of Mr. Berndt. The defense responds, "May I have a moment your honor?"  I believe there's nothing else. The court orders that the defendant is to provide DNA and print impressions.  And that's it.  The media files out and I stay for the Cameron Brown hearing.

10:15 AM - Cameron Brown
Judge Lomeli addresses his clerk. "David, let me know when they're ready."

10:30 AM 
DDA Hum and Laub are now sitting at the prosecution table, having a conversation. When they're finished, Laub slides his chair down over to the defense table and waits for his client to be brought out.

10:34 AM
DDA Hum and Laub are speaking to Judge Lomeli over at the clerk's desk. Judge Lomeli doesn't have his robes on and his arms are crossed over his chest.  While Laub is speaking, Judge Lomeli is nodding his head.

10:35 AM
Brown is brought out. He looks much the same as he did at the last hearing. His hair is cut short and he still has the ZZ Top looking beard.  He also looks a bit more gaunt than the last time he was here.

I remember back in June when Brown spoke up and told the court he wanted to go pro per, Judge Lomeli told the defendant that if he wanted to represent himself, he would not be lenient.

Patty Brown took a seat in the bench row behind me.  While we wait for Judge Lomeli to take the bench she makes some statements about Mr. Laub. She claims that Mr. Laub took on other clients after he was assigned her husband's case and worked those cases instead of her husbands.  To me, this contradicts what I heard Mr. Laub tell the court. Several months ago, Mr. Laub told the court that Brown was his newest case. That all his other cases he has had for much longer.  Mr. Laub is a court appointed attorney.  The court would have instant access to any and all cases that Mr. Laub is currently assigned.

Judge Lomeli comes out and addresses counsel. "Ready?" He asks.  He then goes into the back area to get his robes. I see Judge Lomeli pop a piece of muffin or pastry into his mouth as he gets ready to take the bench.

Counsel are asked to state their appearances for the record. Judge Lomeli brings up the issue of the Marsden hearing, and that DDA Hum indicated that the Marsden motion could not be heard until competency was decided.  Judge Lomeli cites the relevant cases where the ruling was different. Judge Lomeli states that, "The court was inclined to hear the Marsden on the 8th."(If there was a hearing on November 8th, I missed it. Sprocket.) Addressing Mr. Laub the court asks, "I take it that between the 8th and the 15th, you had a chance to converse further with Mr. Brown?"

Mr. Laub tells the court that he withdraws his prior declaration and mentions that he filed something under seal. Brown directed Mr. Laub to make corrections to the declaration he filed with the court months ago. Mr. Laub filed a new document with addendum's. Mr. Laub met with his client on the 4th and they went through the document and prepared corrections. "At this time, Mr. Brown is prepared to sign the corrected declaration, ..." that it is now a true and correct statement.

The court asks, "At this point, you wish to withdraw ... Marsden?""Yes," Mr. Laub replies.

What is left now, is the issue of competency. Judge Lomeli addresses the defendant. "I've had a chance to observe (you) ... number of appearances ... you appear to this court to be competent and your communication skills did not suffer in any way ... If the court had to evaluate Mr. Brown ... I understand Mr. Laub had a chance to interact with Mr. Brown and (discuss?) the consequences he is facing. ... "

Mr. Laub tells the court, "He said he will not talk to Dr. Knapke." I believe Laub goes onto say, "Believe he and I are able to communicate in a (?) and mutual understanding."

Judge Lomeli bases his opinion on past cases. He goes onto talk about how some defendants don't understand the rules of evidence. The defendant may want something to come in, but the court is not able to let that evidence in, due to the rules of evidence the court is bound to.  "The court is inclined to reintroduce criminal proceedings."  DDA Hum states that he concurs with the courts observations (about Brown's ability and competency).

There are a couple of issues that need to be addressed. The court indicated the defendant wont' speak to Dr. Knapke. I believe it's DDA Hum who asks if an inquiry can be made if he will speak to another doctor.  Judge Lomeli asks the defendant, "Are you willing to speak to another doctor, not Dr. Knapke, but someone else?"   Brown responds, "I've already spoken to two different (psychiatrists? psychologists?) during my incarceration."  Brown seems to think this is sufficient to determine his competency. The court tells Brown, "You have to realize that was a time back. ... Those reports can't be used." Brown has to be evaluated anew.  Brown is asked again if he will be interviewed by a doctor. 

Brown responds, "Only if it's mandatory, otherwise it's not needed." I believe Brown is told that he can't just say yes or no, he has to interact with the doctor for a bit of time. "Are you willing to talk to someone, and have your attorney ..." find another doctor to speak to?  I believe Brown responds, "I still stick to my same statement."

It appears Brown agrees to speak to a new doctor.

Judge Lomeli talks about his calendar. He's booked January through mid March. The earliest the court could hear the case is mid March or April. Laub states he is looking at his own calendar. The earliest he is available is April. Judge Lomeli comments that he would like to get this case done.  I believe it's DDA Hum who states he can't predict what will happen in April. The court notes that the people have been very accommodating. I believe Laub asks again if the court would be mandating (that Mr. Brown speak to a doctor).  Judge Laub states that he will reinstate criminal proceedings in abeyance in pending a report from the doctor.

A new court date of Friday, January 10th is chosen to return. Laub states that he is going to submit corrections to his declaration and it's to remain under seal.

There is further discussion about the choice of a doctor for the defendant to speak to. It's made clear to Mr. Brown that his attorney will be picking the doctor for him to speak to.  The criminal proceedings will remain suspended. DDA Hum makes it clear that he won't have any input into choosing the doctor Brown speaks to. He won't even know who the doctor is.

And that's it. Brown returns on January 10th.  Afterwards, Patty Brown makes a statement to me that shocks me speechless. With a smile on her face she tells me, "Now you know why Cam wouldn't talk to Dr. Knapke. It's because Hum suggested him."

I can't believe this. Brown obstinately refused to see a doctor that he had seen previously, only because DDA Hum suggested the name.  A doctor that he had seen at the request of his own defense counsel before the second trial.  All these months of delay are due to the defendant, and nothing else.

(Note: I am working on getting my notes covering the preliminary hearing for Joshua Woodward. I hope to have them up over the weekend. Sprocket.)

Huffington Post - Mark Berndt Arrested
LA Weekly - Berndt Quietly Resigns after $40,000 payout
LA Times Now - Settlement with Victims
NBC - Ex Teacher Sentenced to 25 Years 
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